hogjowl
Idiot™
You can be whatever you want to be at industry events. Ive seen many outstanding business owners posting on the various boards over the years and met a few geniuses at the fests I’ve attended during my time in this industry.
HydroClean Truckmounts
- Thread starter Gtplayer
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There's a fine line between genius and idiot.
Some wander back and forth.
hogjowl
Idiot™
Guilty
Did you mean me? Lol
Mikey P
Administrator
and here I thought that I made that very clear..
and why this unit would be near perfect for me and all the many other hobbyist/semi retired 2%r's out there.
This unit will not sell in droves due to limited water flow (2)
Cleanworks
Moderator
I had a Mytee escape for a short time. Got it with a bunch of other stuff I bought. Makes a great shop machine, lots of power but no heat. Trying to run it as a truck mount would be a nightmare. No waste tank, you have to depend on the auto pump out which can be problematic. No heat unless you add a propane or other heater. It did have a proper pressure pump capable of 800 psi on at least a 4 flow wand. 4 vac motors both in series and parallel I believe. Need 4 -115v power cords or 2-220 v power cords. Or a generator in your truck. By the time you added a waste tank, generator and propane heater, you could have bought an entry level truck mount. With this Hydro Clean, without knowing anymore about it, it seems like you are powering it from the trucks engine. Just replacing the drive system and vacuum pump with electric vac motors. Maybe provide some more specs on it. How many vac motors, what type of pump, exactly how much power does it need?
Mikey P
Administrator
hogjowl
Idiot™
Both of us
Bryce C
DFW
The heart that you have for this work is wonderful. You inspire me Dwain.
Gtplayer
Member
I'm saving 70% of fuel because the van is only idling (not 1500 rpm's like my CDS's) and using 2/10th's of a gallon of fuel per hour. There's also a 12 volt circulation pump (brushless) in the coolant lines keeping the water hot, instead of a speed control bringing the idle up to speed up the water pump on the van's, like the CDS's.
Also because the van is idling for the instant 210 degrees water heat and it is now powered with one lithium ion battery. So you don't have to plug in at all.
Oh btw maintenance is none! Just replace the vacuum pumps every 3000 hours. It is a professional and cosmetically beautiful machine that the industry needs! There are 3 boxes that need to be checked to get truck-mount performance to clean carpets properly.
1) Vacuum = 14 HG
2) Water heat 180 degrees minimum.
3) Pump pressure 500-600 psi
This is achieved with this machine.
Videos coming soon....
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Mikey P
Administrator
What would it take to be able to run 4 or 6 flow?
That's your biggest problem as I see it.
Cleanworks
Moderator
Not bad, all on the 12 volt truck system, extra batteries or plugging into the house or business? What pump and motor?
Cleanworks
Moderator
What pump and motor? Psi and GPM?
Gtplayer
Member
The solution pump (12 volt) that's in the machine right now is a 600 psi. Pumptec made me a 12 volt pump that is 1000 psi 6 flow that can be installed in the machine. But it does require a 40 amp fuse because it draw up to 34 amps. Modern vehicles have fuses up to 60 amps so it shouldn't be a problem
"where some people see problems, I see opportunities..."
Cleanworks
Moderator
What kind of power does the vehicle put out? Amps/watts?
Bryce C
DFW
Sounds like the van would need a high output alternator and a couple really good lithium batteries like Battleborns or better. I have a high output 250 amp alternator in my pickup truck, but the truck needs to idle at atleast 800 or 900 rpm for it to produce enough power to keep up with a small 1500 watt space heater for my portable/trailer setup in the winter. My GMC Canyon idles at 600 rpm and even with the 250 amp alternator it wasn't keeping up with a small space heater at factory idle. This van would need a 400+ amp alternator with a small pulley to produce decent amperage, especially at a low idle.
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Bryce C
DFW
From what I understand typical automotive engines do not have good longevity with extended periods of low idling. I think you'd need to throttle up to get a 400+ amp alternator to even put out any more than 200 amps per hour, and to preserve the van's engine. 200 amps per hour at 12 volts is the equivalent of one 20 amp circuit at 120 volts. Not much.
And that doesn't consider the typical 50 or so amps the vehicle demands when running to maintain its own basic systems.
And that doesn't consider the typical 50 or so amps the vehicle demands when running to maintain its own basic systems.
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You know i keep hearing that idleing wearing out engines but emergency vehicles like ambulances fire trucks forestry trucks and police vehicles all idle for long periods????? All my pto's idle for long periods . Unless im fueling or in a store or something i generally start um in the morning and shut um down when i get home . my old 93 ford has 246k and 11k hours on the machine. My backup van has 216k and 10,563 on the machine. So i call BS on that theory as for putting a larger alternator on your van i say ,why??? An alternator only puts out power needed so if you only need 10a to keep your system topped off thats all your alternator will provide regardless of its capabilities. Newer vans like mine its a 2020 it has a circuit that cuts the alternator off till the charge runs down then activates to charge for awhile. Took some time getting use to seeing tha volt meter fluctuate that much .
This reminds me of the truck drivers putting 12 volt refrigerators in their rigs and killing their alternators and batteries.
When your vehicle idles the oil pump works at its lowest rate.
When your vehicle idles your coolant circulates and cools at its lowest rate.
Im still not seeing a 70 percent savings.
But it does look good.
When people tout numbers I always feel like I'm being sold something that doesn't add up.
When your vehicle idles the oil pump works at its lowest rate.
When your vehicle idles your coolant circulates and cools at its lowest rate.
Im still not seeing a 70 percent savings.
But it does look good.
When people tout numbers I always feel like I'm being sold something that doesn't add up.
Well apparently google says prolong idle can cause damage. But i haven't experienced any so i will continue but if you ask google " does prolonged idling of modern engines cause damage" theres some good reading there .as for me its still business as usual. I think starting and stopping causes more harm than left running
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Even small engines are made to run at high speeds not idle.
Even us humans work better and have longer longevity in motion than idling.
Transmissions are made to keep your vehicles rpms at an optimal range regardless of your speed.
Even us humans work better and have longer longevity in motion than idling.
Transmissions are made to keep your vehicles rpms at an optimal range regardless of your speed.
I think alot of the information about idleing is propaganda and is there to push an agenda 30 seconds???? They don't want you to disengage the start stop on new cars the autos ecm is monitoring and adjusting fuel trims hundreds of times a second also adjusting cam angle timing spark duration etc etc also temperature of engine is controlled by the thermostat so unless your idleing during a blizzard it got it under control. So i say get your covid shot its good for you and the world it is good because we, the one's in control say it is and save gas don't idle your car
Gtplayer
Member
250 amps
Cleanworks
Moderator
How does it do that? Batteries/alternator?
Fuel is atomized and not a liquid in most vehicles direct injection is the exception. But vans with pto's don't have direct injection yet and they have found that vehicles that only have direct injection well they have all sorts of problems just staying in good running shape period. They have serious carbon issues because the fuel bypasses the intake valve making oil vapors that pass thru your pcv valve into the intake stick and cause severe carbon buildup on the intake valves where port/manifold injection doesn't have that problem. Because the injector is aimed at the intake valve and keeps it clean. Manufacturers are addressing there screw up/this problem by quietly implementing duel fuel systems port/manifold injection for idle/ low power use and the ecm switches to direct injection for higher power requirements. This way they can produce the power while meeting emissions standards and solving the carbon issue they themselves caused. So i believe that alot of the idling controversy stems from direct injected engines . But in my opinion if you have an engine solely direct injected , well your just f%$@ed no matter what you do. And my advice is get a lemon law attorney and put um on speed dial. As for duel fuel injection ill let you know i just bought a 23 Toyota tacoma and it has it . The first thing i put on it was an oil catch can just in case
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I agree the manufacturers have an agenda to push.
Idling creates higher emissions per rev. Im not sure vehicles still have them or not but EGR valves and cat converters plug up faster from idling too.
The service vehicles you mentioned do get serviced more frequently due to the idling. I think the oil changes are every 1500 miles instead of 3000.
If you had vehicles that idle a lot you might remember replacing batteries and alternators and wondering what killed them
When people started putting amps in their cars they started killing their charging systems too. Now they use multiple batteries and two bigger alternators to prevent the damage.
Your coolant pump doesn't pump efficiently at idle. Think of how cars would die on highways when they came to a stop. The motor was still hot but couldn't cool it fast enough because of tge pump doesn't circulate it fast enough. Its not just the numbers like thermostats kicking in at at a certain temp.
Just because it kicks in at 210 doesn't mean the engines temp is 210. Numbers are deceptive. Or as I say numbers lie.
