Ken Snow.....I need to know.

steve r

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hek 5 to 1 would be nice on roi but like i said im only breaking even at best. yp ad for $22.00 now is all im doing now other than the occasional door knocking but i do have a good referal source. should i just be patient because it is growing good i just get impatient.

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Ken, you are a true inspiration. It takes a lot of to ability successfully run a company that size let a lone grow it. To keep that crew together is extra special.

Even more is that you would take the time to tell us how you do it. Thanks for the information and the inspiration.

Now Tony should tell how to do it from his perspective.
 

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Not me, F@#K that!

I'm building 20 TM's from leftover airplane parts and bubble gum wrappers !

Wait, make that 21, trash day is tomorrow! :wink:
 

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Even more:

At Coit the top dogs were kept well fed by management.
They got all the biggest jobs in the best areas.

Do you randomly divee up the jobs for the day of does Super Larry, Moe and Curly get the ones furthest from the hood?

Do you let your techs take home their vans if they end their day late and are close to home?

Do any of them run a remote route for you from their homes?

Do you know what percentage of each job/dollar goes back into marketing?
 

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ODIN said:
I wonder if you buy them a grave plot and tomb stone after working them to death.

SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL

Yes I wonder how many repeat customers you have when each and every customer is abused with high sell tactics? Only so many hours a day, drive time from job to job.

Like any business you have people that make big bucks with Herbal Life and Amway too but that is their lives 24 hours a day 7 days a week.



T

Amway and Herbal life are a joke.
 

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Mike - I realize we are all effected and run the risk of being biased as I know I am in some ways, but WE ARE NOT COIT!

Our most senior guys will tend to get better routes than the lowest seniority, but they too will get their turns in the less desirable areas.

They are not allowed to take their trucks home, with rare exception, although we do have 3 people (2 chemists and 1 furniture only guy) who are dispatched from their homes. They are the ones that drive the PT Cruisers and Chevy HHR.

My Marketing budget for our On-Location Cleaning Division this year is 7 & 1/2% of sales, up from last year as we are dealing with a very tough economy in Michigan and 8% for Rug Care Services.
 

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Is Coit in your area?


I know Stanley is..


How do the three of you compete for the same customer base?

Three big companies all price marketing.


What do you tell phone shoppers the purple truck difference is?

" At Hagopian we take care of our Techs so they take care of you"
 

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As far as I know there is not a COIT in our market now although there has been a couple over the years.

There are at least 3 SS's, a bunch of CD's, ServPro's, the department store guy's of Macy's and Sears and even a couple Duraclean's still I believe. On top of this we have a competitor with a similar name and 3-4 other large independent companies.

We have a few USP's that we market including "No Extra Charges" which includes no extra charge for dirty carpet, no extra charge for weekend appointments (sat & sun), and no extra charge for specialty stain removal.

On top of this we have very attractive prices, superb long term employees and 68 years of being a good corporate citizen. We donate $ to dozens of charities and some of us are active on their boards and we also will donate gift certs to virtually any organizations fundraiser.

Ken
 

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Thanks Tony - that is very kind.

Mike, to my knowledge they are not on any Boards, but wth would I fire them if were? I don't really care what they do on their own time as long as they are not doing doing illegal drugs, working for the competition or breaking laws.
 

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WTF ,Ken are you running for Mayor of Mikey's Board or something??
 

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Off topic (but what thread stays on topic?):

Every business is going to require adjustments from what others do, and there's something to learn from everyone. There's a non-janitorial cleaning company that runs large truck-mounts in Mitsubishi crew cab box trucks so they can have five guys and one truck at a job site, and another that runs no trucks at all.

While there are valid reasons to run two-man crews, and Hagopian's model obviously works, sometimes an owner uses silly "second man benefits" as an excuse to put a E-Z band-aid on a problem that needs to be addressed somewhere else in their business system. The type of work you do, your area, the labor force available, and even the amount of room you have to park trucks will have much to do with what would work best for you. Just be honest with yourself about your decisions.

In our case, doing mainly high end residential work, we found adding a second man would increase cleaning time/efficiency 30-35% over a solo tech. While this is an increase of efficiency for the truck/unit, labor costs are much higher than the cost of adding another truck. Adding a truck gives you 100% more cleaning time/efficiency with the same labor costs as a two-man crew, so is more profitable. Having more vehicles gives you more flexibility in routing work, so drive times and related costs can be lower as well.

More guys in the house, faster speeds, and more sales pitches would make us look just like the coupon and 35% off franchises that our customers are avoiding, so one tech per truck works better for us.
 

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I think to get past the 30-35% second man production rates that Bryan mentioned, you would truly need a larger cleaning system, ie: a #4 blower isn't going to cut it, not even mentioning heat etc...
Because of that lil' fact you will always see Multi-truckers stick with Clutch drive no-brainer systems.

Question for Ken and Bryan: What is your annual turnover percentage?
 

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I don't want to speak for Ken, but I think I remember him actually being in the communist party along about the same time you came out of the closet. Fortunately for Ken, HE learned the error of his ways.
 

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This has been a great thread.............

With exception to the fella that almost had to ruin the tone with his $%^&


Thanks Ken...........Your a real down to earth kinda guy........

Darlene

Oh and thanks Mike.......you sure do run a great board here.

I have been proud to see you grow.........."not that you may care
about how I think about it, but I just wanted you to know"

Your doing a fine job!!!!
 

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No turnover to speak of Greenie, except for the occasional termination. Average Specialist is about 10 years and we have doazens of people in the 15 years and up category. I'm sure similar is true at Bryan's company.

Ken
Ps wtf did the communist thing come from Mike~ as often happens to me, you're west coast humor is over my head... or just not up to it yet.
 

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I saw Ken in a purple Yugo once.


Mikey is on to something.


Ken,


What woud you imagine your employees say about you after you leave the company X mas party?

" There goes one hell of a bossman"?

or

" F'n cheap bastard, I see he and his wife got new cars this year and all we got was this salsbury steak dinner"
 

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If you really want to learn about a man, ask his employees what they think.

Hopefully it's good.
 

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Who is the secret guest??? I agree with Greenie and I hope they say nice things about me, but my goal is not to be their friend. My role is to be their cheerleader and encourager while Brian, Dave, Diane, Tim, Art, Pat and others do the more intimate coaching, teaching, disciplining etc. If I am able to lead by being fair & compassionate with them they will lead and guide our people properly and be respected.

Ken
Ps my car is 2 1/2 years old and my ex's is 3 1/2. I have dozens of employees with newer ones.
 

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When Ken said he was active on Boards I am guessing he wasn't referring to Bulletin Boards but community and charity boards. Unless I am mistaken.
 
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ken would u ever think about breaking threw the 99.95 mark on 5 rooms,,,,, with gas prices rising???? or is that a mental level thanks in advance.......
 

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I've seen that question asked of Ken before ... back on ICS when it was a place to be. He answered that $99 was the sweet spot, and that he might consider lowering the area cleaned for that price ... like 3 rooms and a hall for $99, but probably would never stop offering a $99 special.
 

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