Betcha a tankless TM can fit in it! - 22/25 mpg

Greenie

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Nothing against the "tankless" crowd, I'm just not in it.

Something about being able to finish a job and not STOP cause your Auto Pump Out quit, or being on a job that is not APO friendly, would prevent me from ever buying a unit without at least a 50 gal tank, a small waste tank doens't weight THAT much, and doesn't impact the footprint for me enough to Omit it.

Reliablility is #1 with a TM, everything else is secondary.
 

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Well...! I guess that's the last word on the subject...

At any rate, one of the things about "reliability" is using components that are reliable to make it so. And unlike other pump- out pumps, the one we use (and have been for several years now... since 2003, if memory serves...) is virtually bullet- proof, in that it has a cast- iron impeller that makes it seriously as close to being indestructible as you could reasonably hope for. And beyond that, it can run dry all day long with no problems.

In all the time we've made systems with them, there have been 3 (Duane Smith (flange broke), Richard Robinson (bearing went bad), Chuck in Florida (flange broke) outright breakdowns that I know of (And I know of all of them.), in addition to guys messing their own pump up about 3 more times... maybe 4. And in every case, we either had a replacement in their hands or installed on their system, or the pump was simply cleaned out and re-installed, as appropriate (and as proximity allowed), within 24 hours, tops. (It takes 5 minutes to open and inspect them now... 15 to replace one entirely.)

The idea that on some jobs, you may not be able to pump out, I can understand. It is what it is. But being able to pump 100 feet away from the truck or more... does minimize the possibility of such a thing actually happening... unless you live in some parts of Califoreigna where they over- react to environmental concerns.

Each to his or her own. They fill a niche. And that niche isn't just small vans. I've had two different owners of our "no tank", continuous pump- out systems do colleges during Summer break with them, who bragged to me that they parked the truck and cleaned for 12 or more hours straight through, for a week to ten days, only stopping for gasoline or some other necessity, like food or sleep.

Such a thing can't be done with even a large PTO system.

Still, they're not for everybody.

But if I was cleaning carpet again, I'd prefer one for myself.
 

Duane Oxley

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AshleyMckendree said:
Duane, where can i find a pump like that?

Im trying to outfit a continuous pumpout system on my Mercedes TM

Ashley:

Call me. I keep them in stock.

Duane
 

Bob Savage

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...and, Greenie, the APO that we use is so trouble free, that it's hard to believe.

The motor has NO MOVING PARTS, so it cannot wear out.

The APO filter can go for weeks without having to be attended to inside the bottom of the recovery tank.

None of our APO motors have failed, even with 10 years use!

There are only 2 replaceable parts - an impeller and shaft, and a cover. Both are under $30.

If you're at a job where you cannot use an APO, you can always pump into any container and dump that later.

Can anyone else top that?
 

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Hey Duane,

Can you cut that thing in half right behind the drivers seat, stretch it about 24" and weld it back together? They do it with limos you could be the Van stretcher.
 

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Good to hear to Duane.I've been contemplating a set up like this for a couple of years now,ever since I first heard about the transit/Look forward to the pics.
Patrick
 

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Hey, Patrick:

Since you're "local", stop by our place the last weekend of this month and see it for yourself.

If you do it that Friday, you can also attend two free workshops and get fed fajitas, all for free.

If you stop by Saturday, you can also get involved in the airflow demonstrations and evaluations, "refereed" by the Roots representative and get fed hamburgers, bratwurst and hot dogs all at no charge.

Thanks,

Duane
 

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Bob Savage said:
If you're at a job where you cannot use an APO, you can always pump into any container and dump that later.

Can anyone else top that?

Then Ron Werner said:
Ok, so now I'll need to carry a 100-200 gal container, JUST in case I can't APO it.

No, Ron, you won't carry an empty container around all day, every day, JUST in case you might need it. It's that if you know one of the jobs you have for the day could be one of those (and you should know being a carpet cleaner), then carry something for that job.

You can also extend the APO garden hose, as you can pump the APO through 200' or more of garden hose to a sewer drain if necessary.

Otherwise, pump it out.
 

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Bob Savage: how much does the pump out cost? can it be an external pump out or only an internal one? Can it pump out against high lift...like 15" to 17" hg.?
 

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Greenie said:
Nothing against the "tankless" crowd, I'm just not in it.

Something about being able to finish a job and not STOP cause your Auto Pump Out quit, or being on a job that is not APO friendly, would prevent me from ever buying a unit without at least a 50 gal tank, a small waste tank doens't weight THAT much, and doesn't impact the footprint for me enough to Omit it.

Reliablility is #1 with a TM, everything else is secondary.


I can fill a 50 gallon tank in 10 minutes, it's amazing how often I'm using my pump-out these days. Of course you can dump in the yard in OH :D
 
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Duane's machines are very competitively priced from the one supplier I lucked upon while surfing the web where I saw a couple machines advertised. Duane's only flaw is that he needs to link to his distributors on his web site or he needs to price is equipment on his site. A builder in someways like Judson. Quality, re-build able and priced right.

I looked at the truck today, it is pretty amazing. You will need to take good care of it but I bet you could make good money with a compact machine like Duane's and some careful layout.
 

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Bob Savage said:
[quote="Bob Savage":2plg4g93]

If you're at a job where you cannot use an APO, you can always pump into any container and dump that later.

Can anyone else top that?

Then Ron Werner said:
Ok, so now I'll need to carry a 100-200 gal container, JUST in case I can't APO it.

No, Ron, you won't carry an empty container around all day, every day, JUST in case you might need it. It's that if you know one of the jobs you have for the day could be one of those (and you should know being a carpet cleaner), then carry something for that job.

You can also extend the APO garden hose, as you can pump the APO through 200' or more of garden hose to a sewer drain if necessary.

Otherwise, pump it out.[/quote:2plg4g93]


Its the jobs you don't count on it breaking down that will be the ones that will get cha.
And even for the those "big" jobs where you might "anticipate" any challenges, where are you going to put a tank large enough to collect the water to finish the job?? Not much room in there.
 

Duane Oxley

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Stanley Steemer trucks have auto- pump- outs, with small 30 gal. tanks. Such trucks pump out on every job. But their pumps are rubber impeller pumps, that can't be run dry and can't pump sand, grit, etc.

Basically, if you see a SS truck, chances are very good that it's like I described. They're nation- wide.

The truth is that there are many more jobs that you can pump out on than those you cannot. For the most part, if there's grass there, or gardens, or even a clean- out plug, you can pump out.

So it really depends upon what kinds of customers you have as much as anything else.

The discharge pumps we use really are tried- and- true, "bullet- proof". But hey, if you're really that concerned about it, by a spare. After all, some year, when you least expect it, you may actually have a problem with it.... They cost way less than a solution pump and can be changed out in about 15 minutes, even if it's something you haven't done before.
 

Greenie

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ah geeze.....wait til Foster sees that!

and why isn't the cleaning/restoration industry packed full of these?

that turbo diesel is easily worth every penny a Sprinter is.
 

Supersucker

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Greenie; It sure looks expensive but if I was in restoration it sure would make loading & unloading all that equipment a breeze.

Well, expensive being relative, you think one would cost more or less than a V?
 

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Carpet Cleaning Fool said:
[quote="Mr.V":h66rbjn7]looks like a ford escort wagon with a raised roof

Personally, it looks more like a chopped and slammed Sprinter.

Maybe you're right. Who really needs

1. In dash computer w/ internet
2. Wireless keyboard and mouse
3. Integrated inkjet printer
4. 20 + mpg
5. 1600 lb + payload capacity
6. 2012 model 100% electric w/ 100 mi range and the ability to recharge on site
7.

Naaa, think i'd rather have a full size Governmet Motors cargo van that hasn't changed since the 70's so I don't lose 100 cubic feet of cargo space. NOT![/quote:h66rbjn7]

Agreed.
 

Walt

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Art Kelley said:
[quote="Carpet Cleaning Fool":14ql01la][quote="Mr.V":14ql01la]looks like a ford escort wagon with a raised roof

Personally, it looks more like a chopped and slammed Sprinter.

Maybe you're right. Who really needs

1. In dash computer w/ internet
2. Wireless keyboard and mouse
3. Integrated inkjet printer
4. 20 + mpg
5. 1600 lb + payload capacity
6. 2012 model 100% electric w/ 100 mi range and the ability to recharge on site
7.

Naaa, think i'd rather have a full size Governmet Motors cargo van that hasn't changed since the 70's so I don't lose 100 cubic feet of cargo space. NOT![/quote:14ql01la]

You can get a separate computer, GPS, and printer for $500. Your old full sized van fully loaded will get 17 MPG. MUCH more payload capacity. That 100 mile range on the 2012 electric model looks tempting though. LOL

Get a life.[/quote:14ql01la]


Does your van really get 17 mpg with all your gear in it? I used to get 8-9 in my chevy express with all my gear in it.
 

Chris A

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Nice thought Bill, but to really make that work you would need; an over the wheelwell waste tank, a narrower vac hose reel (150' capacity would probably be fine for most using this set up), no solution reel or mount overhead, and some kind of chemical shelf. Then I think you would have one sweet rig. I'd probably buy 2 8)
 
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Bill Bruders said:
Heres some pictures of a Sapphire 370 with a waste tank in a ford transit





Awesome! Thanks for Sharing. Is that your truck, or what is the story behind the owner. What is your opinion? Thanks
 

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Ron; Yes that truck is converted to front wheel drive, everything behind the cab is chopped off. They have the overall length on the website.
I know the wheel cut on the Ford Superduties was increased when they changed the front suspension from leafs to coils some years back so it is probably competitive with a van.
They just can't use a van chassis as there would be no room for the fuel tank and transfer case.
 

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We just took delivery on this Transit Connect we've had on order for a couple of months. Our plan is to bring the van to connections as a demo unit to get some feedback on overall package design. This setup just utilizes the current waste tank that comes with the machine and our standard hose reel options. Of course we need to look at chemical storage, reel size etc. We are hoping for as much "what if" input and whats necessary as far as storage as we can get. While vans of this size won't fit every company out there when we started designing the Sapphire line last year at this time gas was $4 per gallon and we felt that designing for the future was very important.
 
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