100% VLM ???

[bob vawter]

NO, I don't run in your circles, I've heard of it now.

Circles....EXACTLY.....OR MORE commonly known as orbits!

I really thought EVERYONE has heard of this by now......we've been tracking this interstellar object close to a year now.....
PURPOSE:UNKNOWN

However my belief is.....they have to eradicate this pesky species that are about to introduce a radioactive substance into an otherwise perfect creation......

AND MORE-FURTHER......YOU....should realize if you haven't learned of this phenomenon......how many other Things are you un-aware of????????

And yet even further more...let's say this really does exist AND have beings wit billions of years of intelligence and technology......what does that do to the Jesus story?

 

[SamIam]

Yep starting to likeVLM can't pull the hoses in anymore trying to to sell truckmount van and other equipment I was doing good for a while but have run out of steam not in the truck but ME hope to make it to January to 84 so I'll just do small jobs to help pay bill.No retirement but in stock market and NOT good there but there is light at the end of the tunnel. I just have to find the tunnel.

Stud

 

[SteamwayPro]

Not gonna start this debate all over again, but if you hwe, you know you didn't have to #flood most carpet to get it clean. Chems and agitation are doing the same thing you're doing following up with an additional step. Some don't do that

You should know by now I take a jab at HWE every chance I get


I did this job today. One chair, 2 Bedrooms, Hall, Living Room. I used 3 gallons for all of that. I rinsed the chair with water and that is not included. I haven't been HWE for 6 years now so I don't really remember how many gallons it would take to do that using the HWE Method but I do know it would take many more gallons than 3

How many more gallons 10 ??? 15 ??? I don't know but compared to VLM, HWE uses and WASTES many many more gallons of water

That carpet is a cheap Polyester. I used 2 oz VacAway Double Trouble and 4 oz Detonator (Peroxide) per gallon on chair and carpet

I'm starting to like that Sapphire Portable Upholstery tool. It uses too much water but adding a shut off solves that problem



LESS water MORE agitation !!!

 

[SteamwayPro]

Yep starting to likeVLM can't pull the hoses in anymore trying to to sell truckmount van and other equipment I was doing good for a while but have run out of steam not in the truck but ME hope to make it to January to 84 so I'll just do small jobs to help pay bill.No retirement but in stock market and NOT good there but there is light at the end of the tunnel. I just have to find the tunnel.

I remember you liked and were using Carpet Details

Are you using Carpet Details with VLM

I rarely use it anymore. It just doesn't clean polyester good enough for me

If your new to VLM VacAway or Excellent Supply sell the BEST encaps

 

[they live]

Where's Marty, has he already fled the stage and joined Topeka?

Im hoping his wife is ok.

 

[jessi]

Yes I leave the MESSY Look and I like it

If I thought there was something wrong with the MESSY Look I wouldn't post pictures

I don't worry about perfect groom lines. When the customer starts walking on the carpet those lines will disappear fast. They're not deep lines

I use a 10'' CRB with soft brushes. That carpet is thick nylon and the lines are mostly just on the surface because the CRB is light and has soft brushes. A carpet brush/rake leaves deeper lines than a 10'' CRB with soft brushes. A 10'' CRB grooms the carpet better than a Brush or Rake. My opinion

I never get any negative comments from customers but do get criticism from other cleaners. If I start getting negative comments from customers that's when I will change my opinion on the MESSY Look

I'm more concerned with getting the carpet clean and dry than groom lines


I like the MESSY Look !!!

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Stretch this carpet

 

[BIG WOOD]

You should know by now I take a jab at HWE every chance I get


I did this job today. One chair, 2 Bedrooms, Hall, Living Room. I used 3 gallons for all of that. I rinsed the chair with water and that is not included. I haven't been HWE for 6 years now so I don't really remember how many gallons it would take to do that using the HWE Method but I do know it would take many more gallons than 3

How many more gallons 10 ??? 15 ??? I don't know but compared to VLM, HWE uses and WASTES many many more gallons of water

That carpet is a cheap Polyester. I used 2 oz VacAway Double Trouble and 4 oz Detonator (Peroxide) per gallon on chair and carpet

I'm starting to like that Sapphire Portable Upholstery tool. It uses too much water but adding a shut off solves that problem



LESS water MORE agitation !!!


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What’s that tube on the back of that portable? Some exhaust muffler thingy to help catch all the crap air exhaust that comes out of that machine into the customer’s air???

 

[SteamwayPro]

Stretch this carpet

It's been like that for many years. I have a guy that does repairs that I recommend but she never got it done

 

[SteamwayPro]

What’s that tube on the back of that portable? Some exhaust muffler thingy to help catch all the crap air exhaust that comes out of that machine into the customer’s air???

It's a muffler that catches noise

Without the muffler it's loud and very annoying

With the muffler it's probably 50% quieter

When I'm prespraying and scrubbing furniture I have machine off

I only have the machine running when I'm extracting


I like that Sapphire Portable Upholstery Tool

 

[Meter Maid]

If I thoroughly scrub and then rinse carpet, use a clean white pad after the rinse and said pad is mildly dirty, then what’s the difference if I only pad that particular carpet and keep cleaning with fresh pads until the white pads are only mildly dirty, just like if I had padded it after rinsing?

Is that carpet somehow cleaner if I rinse, even though the final pad used after rinsing looks exactly like the final pad I used if I had padded that carpet only?

 

[BIG WOOD]

If I thoroughly scrub and then rinse carpet, use a clean white pad after the rinse and said pad is mildly dirty, then what’s the difference if I only pad that particular carpet and keep cleaning with fresh pads until the white pads are only mildly dirty, just like if I had padded it after rinsing?

Is that carpet somehow cleaner if I rinse, even though the final pad used after rinsing looks exactly like the final pad I used if I had padded that carpet only?

Because it's not different than wiping your ass. You can keep wiping with that TP and it'll still smell like crap and and make the TP look mildly dirty. But if you get your ass in the shower or use. a bidet, you'll have a clean ass.

now for your comparison with wiping the carpet after the rinse: If you're getting a dirty pad after HWE, you're not HWE correctly, or your tm isn't putting out the correct flow of water at a temp hot enough to properly rinse the carpet.

But I don't care what you guys do to your customer's carpet. Keep wiping it if it makes you feel better.

 

[they live]

Because it's not different than wiping your ass. You can keep wiping with that TP and it'll still smell like crap and and make the TP look mildly dirty. But if you get your ass in the shower or use. a bidet, you'll have a clean ass.

now for your comparison with wiping the carpet after the rinse: If you're getting a dirty pad after HWE, you're not HWE correctly, or your tm isn't putting out the correct flow of water at a temp hot enough to properly rinse the carpet.

But I don't care what you guys do to your customer's carpet. Keep wiping it if it makes you feel better.

Most cleaners dont make enough passes to thoroughly rinse all the soils out especially in heavily soiled carpet. That goes for padders too.

Not using enough detergent is another issue from my experience.

 

[SteamwayPro]

What happens to the dirt left behind ???

No Method removes 100% of the dirt and dirty water

So what happens to what's left behind



VLM uses agitation to clean with and usually dries in 1-2 hours. Dirt gets encapsulated in a detergent and crystallizes after drying and leaves no sticky residue



HWE uses WATER PRESSURE to clean with and uses at least 5 times more water than VLM. HWE usually takes 2-5 hours to dry (if customer is lucky that day) and uses a prespray and detergent

The longer it takes to dry the more dirty water left behind. VERY TRUE !!!

So what happens to all that prespray detergent and dirt left behind after it eventually dries

WATER PRESSURE pushes dirt down deeper to the bottom of the carpet making it much harder to remove, (thicker carpet much more of a problem) does the dirt detergent prespray left behind dry and remain at the bottom of the carpet, does the prespray detergent remaining at the bottom of the carpet cause resoiling, does the dirt after drying just sit at the bottom of the carpet forever, in the worst case does the dirt wick up and cause dull dingy looking carpet, or does it all just magically disappear

So what happens to all the dirt, prespray and detergent left behind by HWE

The longer it takes to dry the more dirty water left behind



LESS water MORE agitation !!!

 

[they live]

If I thoroughly scrub and then rinse carpet, use a clean white pad after the rinse and said pad is mildly dirty, then what’s the difference if I only pad that particular carpet and keep cleaning with fresh pads until the white pads are only mildly dirty, just like if I had padded it after rinsing?

Is that carpet somehow cleaner if I rinse, even though the final pad used after rinsing looks exactly like the final pad I used if I had padded that carpet only?

Only padding doesnt raise the sand and grit from the backing. Vacuuming it once wont get it all out neither.
The water is the carrier that can rinse it away most efficiently.
Not just sand and dirt but spills and oils too. It just gets deeper Imo.
Do you use a washcloth on your hair. Your fingers are more like a wand you can scrub with and the water carries it away.

 

[they live]

What happens to the dirt left behind ???

No Method removes 100% of the dirt and dirty water

So what happens to what's left behind



VLM uses agitation to clean with and usually dries in 1-2 hours. Dirt gets encapsulated in a detergent and crystallizes after drying and leaves no sticky residue



HWE uses WATER PRESSURE to clean with and uses at least 5 times more water than VLM. HWE usually takes 2-5 hours to dry (if customer is lucky that day) and uses a prespray and detergent

The longer it takes to dry the more dirty water left behind. VERY TRUE !!!

So what happens to all that prespray detergent and dirt left behind after it eventually dries

WATER PRESSURE pushes dirt down deeper to the bottom of the carpet making it much harder to remove, (thicker carpet much more of a problem) does the dirt detergent prespray left behind dry and remain at the bottom of the carpet, does the prespray detergent remaining at the bottom of the carpet cause resoiling, does the dirt after drying just sit at the bottom of the carpet forever, in the worst case does the dirt wick up and cause dull dingy looking carpet, or does it all just magically disappear

So what happens to all the dirt, prespray and detergent left behind by HWE

The longer it takes to dry the more dirty water left behind



LESS water MORE agitation !!!


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Water flushes the dirt away. You admit to leaving it behind.

 

[SteamwayPro]

Only padding doesnt raise the sand and grit from the backing. Vacuuming it once wont get it all out neither.
The water is the carrier that can rinse it away most efficiently.
Not just sand and dirt but spills and oils too. It just gets deeper Imo.
Do you use a washcloth on your hair. Your fingers are more like a wand you can scrub with and the water carries it away.

A CRB is your Fingers

I CRB every Residential carpet

 

[they live]

A CRB is your Fingers

I CRB every carpet

Dry?
So if I crb then extract am I not removing more soil than padding?
What if I pad after crb and extraction?
Really its just another tool.
Wicking happens even if its 30 minutes. Ive seen plenty of wicking from padders because they didnt flush the spill. But I've seen it from my own work too. Thats where experience matters I suppose.
Thats why I thoroughly soak spots with prespray to neutralize then flush. But I dont have to lug in a portable to do it. Same with furniture.
Since I got the WM and now butler I haven't padded a carpet. I just find it unnecessary now. But there are accounts I dont do anymore where access was an issue.
Ive padded a lot of carpet. Worked for CD for awhile and did a lot early on in my business. I still have everything to do it with. I just like what im doing now.

 

[Kenny Hayes]

Who uses #prespray and detergent? Says no one that I know of.

 

[BIG WOOD]

Because it's not different than wiping your ass. You can keep wiping with that TP and it'll still smell like crap and and make the TP look mildly dirty. But if you get your ass in the shower or use. a bidet, you'll have a clean ass.

now for your comparison with wiping the carpet after the rinse: If you're getting a dirty pad after HWE, you're not HWE correctly, or your tm isn't putting out the correct flow of water at a temp hot enough to properly rinse the carpet.

But I don't care what you guys do to your customer's carpet. Keep wiping it if it makes you feel better.

What happens to the dirt left behind ???

No Method removes 100% of the dirt and dirty water

So what happens to what's left behind



VLM uses agitation to clean with and usually dries in 1-2 hours. Dirt gets encapsulated in a detergent and crystallizes after drying and leaves no sticky residue



HWE uses WATER PRESSURE to clean with and uses at least 5 times more water than VLM. HWE usually takes 2-5 hours to dry (if customer is lucky that day) and uses a prespray and detergent

The longer it takes to dry the more dirty water left behind. VERY TRUE !!!

So what happens to all that prespray detergent and dirt left behind after it eventually dries

WATER PRESSURE pushes dirt down deeper to the bottom of the carpet making it much harder to remove, (thicker carpet much more of a problem) does the dirt detergent prespray left behind dry and remain at the bottom of the carpet, does the prespray detergent remaining at the bottom of the carpet cause resoiling, does the dirt after drying just sit at the bottom of the carpet forever, in the worst case does the dirt wick up and cause dull dingy looking carpet, or does it all just magically disappear

So what happens to all the dirt, prespray and detergent left behind by HWE

The longer it takes to dry the more dirty water left behind



LESS water MORE agitation !!!


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I'd rather wash my carpet than wipe it.

2-5hr dry time for wiping? That's the same as washing. If that's the case, then I'm leaving behind the same amount of water as you are. And I'm probably going faster than you are to meet the end goal.

Just admit, you were too broke to buy a good truckmount, so you went the buffing route.

I put some of the blame of this scam cleaning process on the truckmount manufacturers. They have made some junk machines to really pop the industry's bubble of really doing a good job and having a reliable machine. When one of these lemon truckmounts crap on a little guy who has no backup units to depend on, it can ruin his little business he's trying to start. So it's easier to just put $5k on a floor buffer and chemicals with a couple vacuums and survive