100% VLM ???

[BIG WOOD]

Just keeeeep puuuhshiiing it down deeper. Push, push harder.

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/ZKo_y9tcROM?si=gYGj69LyXe4yE4b9



View: https://youtu.be/veMubIDBbSs?si=ezWpnvYAv_OfVxP6

 

[BIG WOOD]

Just keeeeep puuuhshiiing it down deeper. Push, push harder.

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/ZKo_y9tcROM?si=gYGj69LyXe4yE4b9



View: https://youtu.be/veMubIDBbSs?si=ezWpnvYAv_OfVxP6

So one guy says they reserve all day to buff and clean just one simple residential job and the other guy took over 10minutes to buff that little room of carpet

Time is money. It takes longer to buff carpet than it does to HWE it properly

I’m keeping the wheel of argument rolling

 

[Dwain Ray]

So one guy says they reserve all day to buff and clean just one simple residential job and the other guy took over 10minutes to buff that little room of carpet

Time is money. It takes longer to buff carpet than it does to HWE it properly

I’m keeping the wheel of argument rolling

 

[they live]

Just keeeeep puuuhshiiing it down deeper. Push, push harder.

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/ZKo_y9tcROM?si=gYGj69LyXe4yE4b9



View: https://youtu.be/veMubIDBbSs?si=ezWpnvYAv_OfVxP6

Imagine what the stair banister looks like after dragging those machines up and down the stairs.

I put a buffer through a wall once. I told the owner of the CD we shouldn't do the job because the carpet was loose and buckled.
Sure enough it pulled loose from the tackstrip wrapped around the pad driver and it went right into the wall.

Had one almost through me out a 3rd floor window once too.

 

[SteamwayPro]

The GROUP THINK was working hard yesterday



Well of course it pushes it down. That's COMMON SENSE !!!

The weight of the machine pushes the detergent with the dirt inside down and when it dries ( 1-2 hours ) it crystallizes. What don't you understand ???

Residential - A detergent is sprayed on carpet loosing dirt. CRB scrubs carpet breaking soil away from the carpet fibers into the detergent. When carpet dries the dirt is encapsulated in the detergent then crystallizes. UNDERSTAND ???



HWE uses WATER PRESSURE that pushes dirt down ( COMMON SENSE ) but uses at least 5 times the amount of water. Takes 2-5 hours to dry ( if customer is lucky ) and has a TM and Van loaded with equipment worth $50,000 $$$$ outside blasting away, burning petroleum more $$$, and disturbing the neighbors. The dirt in the dirty water left behind after carpet dries settles at the bottom of the carpet with the powder from prespray and detergent.



LESS water MORE agitation !!!

 

[SteamwayPro]

I'm getting excellent results using Releasit Hydrox and Encap Punch on Residential and my Apt Complex

I ordered two cases of Encap Punch but for the second time in 6 weeks Fed Ex damaged something I ordered so I only got one


Yes I know. Nobody cares

 

[BIG WOOD]

The weight of the machine pushes the detergent with the dirt inside down and when it dries ( 1-2 hours ) it crystallizes. What don't you understand ???

Residential - A detergent is sprayed on carpet loosing dirt. CRB scrubs carpet breaking soil away from the carpet fibers into the detergent. When carpet dries the dirt is encapsulated in the detergent then crystallizes. UNDERSTAND ???



HWE uses WATER PRESSURE that pushes dirt down ( COMMON SENSE ) but uses at least 5 times the amount of water. Takes 2-5 hours to dry ( if customer is lucky ) and has a TM and Van loaded with equipment worth $50,000 $$$$ outside blasting away, burning petroleum more $$$, and disturbing the neighbors. The dirt in the dirty water left behind after carpet dries settles at the bottom of the carpet with the powder from prespray and detergent.



LESS water MORE agitation !!!


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"The weight of the machine pushes the detergent with the dirt inside down and when it dries ( 1-2 hours ) it crystallizes. What don't you understand ???"

-I'm glad you're confessing your sins of pushing the dirt deeper in the carpet when you buff it

"Residential - A detergent is sprayed on carpet loosing dirt. CRB scrubs carpet breaking soil away from the carpet fibers into the detergent. When carpet dries the dirt is encapsulated in the detergent then crystallizes. UNDERSTAND ???"

-Yes I understand. I understand that the whole "all the dirt crystallizes for the customer to vacuum later" is a scam almost as bad as a pyramid scheme. Just remove the dirt. Don't come up with an excuse for not being able to remove it with a bonnet.


"HWE uses WATER PRESSURE that pushes dirt down ( COMMON SENSE ) but uses at least 5 times the amount of water. Takes 2-5 hours to dry ( if customer is lucky ) and has a TM and Van loaded with equipment worth $50,000 $$$$ outside blasting away, burning petroleum more $$$, and disturbing the neighbors. The dirt in the dirty water left behind after carpet dries settles at the bottom of the carpet with the powder from prespray and detergent."

-Now I see why you're attacking HWE. You were never trained the right way and you probably used an inferior wand that had terrible jet spray pattern that shot right down in the carpet vertically, not diagonally, which prevents the dirt from being pushed deeper. When sprayed diagonally, it improves the proper flushing so it can be extracted (not buffed deeper) properly. I'm thinking your wand didn't have a glide so the wand locked on the carpet, causing less extraction and leaving more water and soil behind and your body was wearing out from it, therefore causing you to switch completely to buffing carpet since your POS truckmount was wearing out and you couldn't afford a decent machine.

Look at the picture if pictures help with the diagonal jets . Sorry, I couldn't find a video showing how the water is extracted. You seem to be one of those guys that needs picture and video to comprehend

 

[Brian H]

View: https://youtu.be/yZnCYtuZtoY?si=5z6v1lQX9OFceMus

I have had happen so many times!! It really is true!

 

[Mikey P]

Those of us who've been online with cleanfax, ICS, the blue board and here since 2001 essentially have seen this exact same situation play out, who knows how many times.

Hot water extraction is a complex process that involves a lot of curiosity and experimentation and adaptation to each and every situation, unfortunately most carpet cleaners aren't capable of that and do it the same way their dad or their retailer or trainer taught them and inevitably start losing customers due to overwetting or residues or worse.

Low moisture becomes appealing as they avoid all those challenges, but in many cases they're delivering a substandard result primarily in residential but even commercial where a good flushing is needed.

Fortunately most customers don't recognize what clean really looks like and as long as the pork chop is gone they're content, and if the cleaner has the minty fresh breath, shows up on time most will just settle rather than go through the painful search for a properly equipped multi method, multi-surface cleaner which we all know are unicorns in their community, and sometimes just don't exist at all.


I hope our (loud) friend sticks with us because eventually he's going to come full circle and buy another truck mount.

 

[Mikey P]

I have had happen so many times!! It really is true!

I think my wife secretly misses argumentive 1.0 at times...

Her incredible memory would usually lead to moral victory.


Now I only complain in text, where she can't immediately fire back with "but you didn't this- isms"...

 

[Cleanworks]

The GROUP THINK was working hard yesterday



Well of course it pushes it down. That's COMMON SENSE !!!

The weight of the machine pushes the detergent with the dirt inside down and when it dries ( 1-2 hours ) it crystallizes. What don't you understand ???

Residential - A detergent is sprayed on carpet loosing dirt. CRB scrubs carpet breaking soil away from the carpet fibers into the detergent. When carpet dries the dirt is encapsulated in the detergent then crystallizes. UNDERSTAND ???



HWE uses WATER PRESSURE that pushes dirt down ( COMMON SENSE ) but uses at least 5 times the amount of water. Takes 2-5 hours to dry ( if customer is lucky ) and has a TM and Van loaded with equipment worth $50,000 $$$$ outside blasting away, burning petroleum more $$$, and disturbing the neighbors. The dirt in the dirty water left behind after carpet dries settles at the bottom of the carpet with the powder from prespray and detergent.



LESS water MORE agitation !!!


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WRONG! By your way of thinking, at the end of a carpets usable life, if it's been regularly cleaned with hwe, there should be mounds of dirt underneath the carpet when it is removed. I've done restoration for years and not once have observed excess soil under or in a carpets backing. Proper cleaning and maintenance involved vacuuming dry soil out, both from the end user and the cleaner. Presprays and agitation dissolve and emulsify other soils and keep them in suspension and are rinsed out of the carpet. Thorough extraction with the right equipment and techniques remove these soils. When you say the water left behind is the same as the water in your waste tank, that is utterly wrong. If you've ever used a machine like a Rotovac or RX20 with a clear tube, you can see the dirty water change to clean. HWE removes more soil than VLM and if you use top quality products, the residue dries to a powder. All methods have their pros and cons. One is not necessarily better than another. It's one thing to have a professional discussion. What's not acceptable is to be insulting others methods and techniques. You are welcome to share the good results you are getting. You are not welcome to preach to others as to how their methods are old fashioned and don't work as well as yours. Do you get that?