Talk me out of another CDS 4.8

[they live]

That is a good deal with a new engine and transmission. I'll check it out. Thanks Dwain-o!

I wouldn't buy another problem if I were you.
You can find a better deal than that.

 

[they live]

My butler is a 2010 all original equipment except driveshaft that I wonder if it really needed replacing but am happy that my belts last years now.
It sounds like that butler wasnt taken care.

Get on hagopians list if you want a good used butler. I almost bought another one last year but my bank woukdnt lend me the full amount on an auto loan. They wanted to split it into 2 loans but I didnt want that. I had teeth to buy.

 

[Dwain Ray]

I wouldn't buy another problem if I were you.
You can find a better deal than that.

Idk, I can see both sides. Frankenstein has had the engine & transmission replaced and he gets exceptionally good treatment. While setting at idle inside my shop without any warning spun a cam bearing while idling!, not screaming down the road @10,000rpms! Idling. Fortunately for me the new engine was covered under the factory powertrain warranty. 8 months later again without warning while driving down he lost 3,4,5 gear clutch pack un Fortunately that wasn't under warranty and cost me 7000.00 thats just the way vehicle's are built these days. It doesn't seen to matter how well you care for um if the factory produces a pos. Frankenstein is a 2020 with only 58k the oil gets changed between 3-4k(when ever the computer says) transmission fluid was changed twice(now three times)rearend changed once brake fluid changed twice powersteering fluid changed once. I drive it as if i have to depend on it for the next 20 years. So to dismiss this by saying that it wasn't cared for well that may or may not be the case. Lack of care or maintenance may not have been the problem, that doesn't seem to matter anymore. There was a time it did. Supposedly when you get a rebuilt they are better than new because the factory defects/ weaknesses are corrected the transmission shop(didnt do the rebuild rather installed a rebuilt)pointed out the clutch problem fix and potential torque converter problem and automatic upgrade included in price. So we'll see. When I bought my van it was 1½years old with 22k on it. Its a 2020 chevy express 2500 extended with 6.0L first sold new in 9/19 i bought it in 12/21 with 22k engine was replaced 8/24(5 weeks left on 5year 60k powertrain warranty) transmission replaced 3/25 approximately 53k

 

[frank fratto]

If I was a one man van? TM

My backup would be my pick up truck.

In my garage, I would have a portable ready to go.

And VLM equipment ready to go.

I presume there's thousands of TM guys set up that way??

 

[they live]

Bryce needs a dependable unit. He already has a project he over paid for.

He could be making payments on something he doesnt have to work on or stress about with all the money he has spent keeping it on the road.

He might as well just focus on what he already has. A van that age that has had the motor Trans and pump replaced tells me it wasnt maintained properly and will have a lot more problems coming. Probably why they are trying to unload it. Its just not worth that much money imo.

I think the hagopien van in the classified ads here would be a better buy but I think he could find a good reliable machine and van for a lot less than both of them if he takes his time and does his due diligence.

 

[they live]

If I was a one man van? TM

My backup would be my pick up truck.

In my garage, I would have a portable ready to go.

And VLM equipment ready to go.

I presume there's thousands of TM guys set up that way??

I can clean without my TM but I dont. I would rather reschedule.

 

[frank fratto]

I can clean without my TM but I dont. I would rather reschedule.

I was like you for a few years!

 

[they live]

Idk, I can see both sides. Frankenstein has had the engine & transmission replaced and he gets exceptionally good treatment. While setting at idle inside my shop without any warning spun a cam bearing while idling!, not screaming down the road @10,000rpms! Idling. Fortunately for me the new engine was covered under the factory powertrain warranty. 8 months later again without warning while driving down he lost 3,4,5 gear clutch pack un Fortunately that wasn't under warranty and cost me 7000.00 thats just the way vehicle's are built these days. It doesn't seen to matter how well you care for um if the factory produces a pos. Frankenstein is a 2020 with only 58k the oil gets changed between 3-4k(when ever the computer says) transmission fluid was changed twice(now three times)rearend changed once brake fluid changed twice powersteering fluid changed once. I drive it as if i have to depend on it for the next 20 years. So to dismiss this by saying that it wasn't cared for well that may or may not be the case. Lack of care or maintenance may not have been the problem, that doesn't seem to matter anymore. There was a time it did. Supposedly when you get a rebuilt they are better than new because the factory defects/ weaknesses are corrected the transmission shop(didnt do the rebuild rather installed a rebuilt)pointed out the clutch problem fix and potential torque converter problem and automatic upgrade included in price. So we'll see. When I bought my van it was 1½years old with 22k on it. Its a 2020 chevy express 2500 extended with 6.0L first sold new in 9/19 i bought it in 12/21 with 22k engine was replaced 8/24(5 weeks left on 5year 60k powertrain warranty) transmission replaced 3/25 approximately 53k

Did you get the maintenance records with the sale?
Was the previous driver abusive to the vehicle?
New vehicles can benefit from proper breaking in too.
Like I said mine is a 2010 still running strong.
Thank you Hagopian!

 

[Dwain Ray]

Did you get the maintenance records with the sale?
Was the previous driver abusive to the vehicle?
New vehicles can benefit from proper breaking in too.
Like I said mine is a 2010 still running strong.
Thank you Hagopian!

A refrigerator built in 2010 is better than one thats built now! My backup is a 2000 chevy pto 189k on the van and 10,300 hours on the machine. It gets run once or twice a year and runs great. Yes i got all maintenance. The van was taken care of. Its just the way things are built today. Vehicles, truckmounts, appliances,hell even houses.we live in a throw away society

 

[they live]

The vans haven't changed much in over 10 years.
Excessive technology and cheaper plastic isnt an issue with them like other vehicles.
The drive train is about the same but the 6.0 was replaced with 6.6. Just as reliable but more HP.
There have always been lemons.
The only appliance I have issues with is my dryer. But they are all higher end.
Having drive train issues on a newer vehicle is probably due to abuse.
Buying Fleet vehicles is hit and miss as well as any used vehicle.
Once the engine has been replaced you are relying on the skills of the mechanic to not over or under tighten bolts line things up properly reconnect everything properly then reinstall the driveshaft. It increases the likely hood of having a glitch you have a hard time finding and fixing. Then that break in period again being crucial for longevity.

Just my opinion but I wouldn't pay that much for it or buy it counting on reliability.
The pump replacement should be another warning. These things dont just go bad to the point of needing replacement if they are taken care of.

It could be a gem too. But after over paying for a nightmare I would be overly cautious on my next purchase and drive train replacement raises a lot of flags for me especially when its been done recently and is now being sold.

 

[Bryce C]

How did I overpay for my TM? I got it for $15k, and spent about $4k or so getting in mint condition. It's been running since last fall like a beast, and doesnt seem like she'll have issues any time soon. 4500 hours on the TM, 110k on the van. Part of the $4k I spent was replacing/upgrading to a Blue Baron HX.

 

[Kenny Hayes]

If you're looking for a backup for yourself, why not get a simple slide in so you can put an employee on if the time comes. A 370 or Hydramaster 3-425.

 

[Dwain Ray]

The vans haven't changed much in over 10 years.
Excessive technology and cheaper plastic isnt an issue with them like other vehicles.
The drive train is about the same but the 6.0 was replaced with 6.6. Just as reliable but more HP.
There have always been lemons.
The only appliance I have issues with is my dryer. But they are all higher end.
Having drive train issues on a newer vehicle is probably due to abuse.
Buying Fleet vehicles is hit and miss as well as any used vehicle.
Once the engine has been replaced you are relying on the skills of the mechanic to not over or under tighten bolts line things up properly reconnect everything properly then reinstall the driveshaft. It increases the likely hood of having a glitch you have a hard time finding and fixing. Then that break in period again being crucial for longevity.

Just my opinion but I wouldn't pay that much for it or buy it counting on reliability.
The pump replacement should be another warning. These things dont just go bad to the point of needing replacement if they are taken care of.

It could be a gem too. But after over paying for a nightmare I would be overly cautious on my next purchase and drive train replacement raises a lot of flags for me especially when its been done recently and is now being sold.

My first microwave oven i bought back when microwaves were sold at microwave stores not Walmart, it lasted 25+ years im on my third in the 10years since. Some Transmissions are sold as having "lifetime oil " these days. As far as drive trains go, go on YouTube and search least reliable transmissions then search same for engines. Be ready for a real eye opener All will be 2016 and newer. It is the way it is.even toyota recalled thousands of the tundra v8s and their considered by most to be the most reliable! Manufacturering is not what it was 20 or even 10 years ago . Engine oil weights are determined by cafe standards not what engines need 0-20 and or 0-16 will not mak your enginelast as long as the old ones that used 5-30 or 15-40, direct ejection slightly increases fuel efficiency while carboning up engines and further deluding engine oil. This stuff wasn't added to make your vehicle last longer. Start stop tears up valve trains over time because of cam phasers and variable valve timing i can go on and on. But search it. And skip over the garage mechanics and wanta be you tube stars and watch the professionals with real knowledge and you'll see. It there so manufacturers aren't taxed higher to build and supply and things are built to make it thru warranty not decades like they were

 

[Dwain Ray]

The vans haven't changed much in over 10 years.
Excessive technology and cheaper plastic isnt an issue with them like other vehicles.
The drive train is about the same but the 6.0 was replaced with 6.6. Just as reliable but more HP.
There have always been lemons.
The only appliance I have issues with is my dryer. But they are all higher end.
Having drive train issues on a newer vehicle is probably due to abuse.
Buying Fleet vehicles is hit and miss as well as any used vehicle.
Once the engine has been replaced you are relying on the skills of the mechanic to not over or under tighten bolts line things up properly reconnect everything properly then reinstall the driveshaft. It increases the likely hood of having a glitch you have a hard time finding and fixing. Then that break in period again being crucial for longevity.

Just my opinion but I wouldn't pay that much for it or buy it counting on reliability.
The pump replacement should be another warning. These things dont just go bad to the point of needing replacement if they are taken care of.

It could be a gem too. But after over paying for a nightmare I would be overly cautious on my next purchase and drive train replacement raises a lot of flags for me especially when its been done recently and is now being sold.

I don't know what your smokin when you say vans haven't changed over the past 10 years but heres the facts a 1998 factory service manual set on the left and a 2019 on the right. The 98 manual works up to 2003. 2019works 2017-2020 the first thing i purchase after the vehicle is the factory service manual. I use chiltons and haynes for quick reference. But for anything else i go to the factory bible it has everything the dealer has on there computer in print form

 

[Bryce C]

I don't know what your smokin

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Tweedleberries are the preferred smoking material of gentleman carpet cleaners. Burns nicely, has a lovely citrus flavor, and leaves a feeling of euphoric satisfaction.

 

[they live]

How did I overpay for my TM? I got it for $15k, and spent about $4k or so getting in mint condition. It's been running since last fall like a beast, and doesnt seem like she'll have issues any time soon. 4500 hours on the TM, 110k on the van. Part of the $4k I spent was replacing/upgrading to a Blue Baron HX.

Since you bought it you have been working on it.
$4,000 on parts is a lot of money to me.

You could have done better imo.
You're problems are not over yet according to you.

But what do i know ima tweedleberry.

I actually felt sorry for you for getting sold on it but if your happy I guess its none of my business.

 

[Dwain Ray]

Tweedleberries are the preferred smoking material of gentleman carpet cleaners. Burns nicely, has a lovely citrus flavor, and leaves a feeling of euphoric satisfaction.

Its a little different here on the left coast. Mendocino is smack ground zero it the emerald triangle ain't no tweedleberries smoked here

 

[they live]

My first microwave oven i bought back when microwaves were sold at microwave stores not Walmart, it lasted 25+ years im on my third in the 10years since. Some Transmissions are sold as having "lifetime oil " these days. As far as drive trains go, go on YouTube and search least reliable transmissions then search same for engines. Be ready for a real eye opener All will be 2016 and newer. It is the way it is.even toyota recalled thousands of the tundra v8s and their considered by most to be the most reliable! Manufacturering is not what it was 20 or even 10 years ago . Engine oil weights are determined by cafe standards not what engines need 0-20 and or 0-16 will not mak your enginelast as long as the old ones that used 5-30 or 15-40, direct ejection slightly increases fuel efficiency while carboning up engines and further deluding engine oil. This stuff wasn't added to make your vehicle last longer. Start stop tears up valve trains over time because of cam phasers and variable valve timing i can go on and on. But search it. And skip over the garage mechanics and wanta be you tube stars and watch the professionals with real knowledge and you'll see. It there so manufacturers aren't taxed higher to build and supply and things are built to make it thru warranty not decades like they were

Im In whirlpools backyard. Ive seen the ups and downs. There's no doubt things are made different than in the 70s. You can buy cheap products that dont last or higher end ones that do.
Im just glad I dont have your luck with products.
Maybe being a tweedleberry is paying off.
You have the worse luck of anyone I know.

 

[Bryce C]

Since you bought it you have been working on it.
$4,000 on parts is a lot of money to me.

You could have done better imo.
You're problems are not over yet according to you.

But what do i know ima tweedleberry.

I actually felt sorry for you for getting sold on it but if your happy I guess its none of my business.

I'm still at a loss of how $19k for a truckmount that works great and has tons of life left in it is a bad deal. And I was joking about an imaginary material that all of us carpet cleaners smoke.

Regarding recent problems, I have a small coolant leak that I neglected by not opening my radiator cap and checking the coolant level which led to an overheat recently