cu
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Yorkie will save the day with his preius Tm . And small motors will go on e85 and cng
the new dodge/fiat van won't take a dd either far as I know.
the new dodge/fiat van won't take a dd either far as I know.
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Larry Cobb
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FUEL ECONOMY Federal standards will mandate all of these changes.
A hybrid truck is what any new truck should be.
ETM will operate off of that hybrid battery.
End of Story.
Larry
A hybrid truck is what any new truck should be.
ETM will operate off of that hybrid battery.
End of Story.
Larry
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Mikey P
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Anyone know or willing to guess how many direct drive units are sold yearly from Butler, Sapphire, Cleanco and Hydramaster?
Kevin B
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probably not enough for them to care.
Do tow trucks have warranties from the auto manufacturers? Many of them are PTO and hydraulic powered.
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C'mon Larry. A hybrid might turn a water pump for a couple hours before dying.
SMRBAP
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The government has had the option to push for CNG over the years, and they have done the exact opposite.
They basically tax and regulate development to a degree that it is a profit killer to the manufacturers and therefore extremely limited.
Thanks be to big oil lobbying dollars for this.
Ken Snow
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I don't see the federal mandates on fuel economy having any impact Larry- ingenuity will continue to evolve and if requirements are based on average across the vehicle spectrum there will still be gas fired vans for decades to come.
SMRBAP
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I doubt that any cleaning manufacturer will raise eyebrows to the vehicle manufacturers to alter their warranties - so you'll have the choice of PTO and no vehicle warranty, or slide in.
As far as the original topic
Personally - I don't think we have much to worry about other than paying a bit more for the engines and or having our options limited.
Small engines is what Briggs, Kohler, Kubota, etc do. Maybe the likes of Hyundai and Nissan exit the small commercial engine market - but the small engine only companies will still be here. We'll pay more for the products.
If they regulate the new/revised EPA cert's like they do CARB/EPA certs for CNG application (which I doubt because the idea there is to stall development) $100K per cert, $10k/yr per cert registartion - we'll see less options and the TM manufacturers will have to redesign around available powerplants, again, we'll pay for that.
But to worry that there soon won't be small gas engines to power TM's I don't believe is a worry. The TM manufacturers will have to redesign to use what is available, maybe an entry level TM is no longer an optiononly mid and larger units, but we'll still be rug sucking with them in the decade to come.
As far as the original topic
Personally - I don't think we have much to worry about other than paying a bit more for the engines and or having our options limited.
Small engines is what Briggs, Kohler, Kubota, etc do. Maybe the likes of Hyundai and Nissan exit the small commercial engine market - but the small engine only companies will still be here. We'll pay more for the products.
If they regulate the new/revised EPA cert's like they do CARB/EPA certs for CNG application (which I doubt because the idea there is to stall development) $100K per cert, $10k/yr per cert registartion - we'll see less options and the TM manufacturers will have to redesign around available powerplants, again, we'll pay for that.
But to worry that there soon won't be small gas engines to power TM's I don't believe is a worry. The TM manufacturers will have to redesign to use what is available, maybe an entry level TM is no longer an optiononly mid and larger units, but we'll still be rug sucking with them in the decade to come.
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The power plant of Butlers Electric stationary carpet cleaning system is a 15hp 3 phase electric motor
SMRBAP
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Agreed - unless there comes a time where MPG regulation is vehicle to vehicle and not across an entire model year lineup average - the gas powered commercial vehicles will continue to be there for a long time - and the reality of fully electric commercial vehicles isn't right around the corner.
Larry Cobb
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Federal Light Truck Fuel Economy = 27.5 MPG next year
What type of gas engine only Van do you think will meet this standard ?
My Guess: 3500 lbs with 4 cyl engine
Ford has already capitulated with the European Transit.
Show me one PTO with a transverse engine.
Slide-Ins are still OK.
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ruff
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Most cleaners I know don't care if it is a PTO Slide In or ETM.
All we care about is that it has enough vacuum and heat at runs of up to 250- 350 feet (most of the time quite a bit less) from the van and we are happy.
As long as the ETM does not do it, or jumps the circuits, or requires a long set up, we won't buy it.
And even if the small slide in engine will cost quite a bit more $$$, it is still a pittance in the life of a unit and in comparison to what it brings in.
All we care about is that it has enough vacuum and heat at runs of up to 250- 350 feet (most of the time quite a bit less) from the van and we are happy.
As long as the ETM does not do it, or jumps the circuits, or requires a long set up, we won't buy it.
And even if the small slide in engine will cost quite a bit more $$$, it is still a pittance in the life of a unit and in comparison to what it brings in.
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as long as the riding lawnmower is around we'll have options for slide ins. the market is a pretty creative place and typically finds a medium.
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for how long?
that's the whole problem with the long term outlook on fossil fuel. our whole economy is based on a finite resource that we will run out of. if we went gun ho on production prices would come down in the short term. when those wells start to dry up? then what. on top of that no one would be exploring alt energy with $1.89 gas.
books like "the race for what's left" give a pretty good outline of our current global energy situation
pablomoreno
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I'm liking the switch to an ETM and booster setup. My costs to run are lower, maintenance is less. The customers are happy and I'm making a profit. As I refine my setup, and install a slightly larger generator, I'll have an even more capable machine with over 400cfm and 16" lift at the customers' front door.
I'm doing 3-4K a week as a one man show with out of pocket expenses to run the system (fuel and chemicals) at around $150 a week. What's not to like?
I'm doing 3-4K a week as a one man show with out of pocket expenses to run the system (fuel and chemicals) at around $150 a week. What's not to like?
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The problem is not how much oil we have left. Estimates say with current reserves and extraction methods we have at least a 80 year supply. With new methods and reserves to be found it will go far beyond that. More or the problem with business vehicles is political. Like this statement that came out of the Whitehouse today:
"We’ve put in place the toughest fuel economy standards in our history so that by the middle of the next decade, our cars will go twice as far on a gallon of gas. " —President Obama in his Weekly Address:
"We’ve put in place the toughest fuel economy standards in our history so that by the middle of the next decade, our cars will go twice as far on a gallon of gas. " —President Obama in his Weekly Address:
Art Kelley
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I still use my Pro1200 on 1/2 the jobs I do because it's convenient, like a bag of cheezeie curls for lunch. But at 2.1 gal/hr in fuel use it sucks ass. If I have the extra 10 minutes to spend on setup/takedown which I try to make for most of my jobs I use my Mytee Air Hog Plus/Water Box unit. I use my customer's utilities for the power and water and the only thing they say is " I can't believe how clean you got it". They don't care about the extra 35c in utilitity cost for the job and if they did I would hand them a dollar and tell them to keep the change.
Art Kelley
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And if you had severe or borderline high functioning autism that could happen while you were working. But 99.99% of the jobs you are on have electricity and you plug in your truck and charge the batteries while you are working. Did you ever run out of gas while driving down the road? Whenever I see people walking down the freeway with a gas can I just go Duuuuuuh.
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Some of you guys need to read up on current events...
North America is scheduled to be a net neutral importer/exporter of oil/gas by 2020. Fracking, horizontal drilling, deep water and shale have put US,Canada, Mexico on the path to import as much as we export.
Different countries/companies need different grades of quality so we might export low grade and import high grade for example. Really is politics creating this situation...
North America is scheduled to be a net neutral importer/exporter of oil/gas by 2020. Fracking, horizontal drilling, deep water and shale have put US,Canada, Mexico on the path to import as much as we export.
Different countries/companies need different grades of quality so we might export low grade and import high grade for example. Really is politics creating this situation...
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I'm sticking with 'electric'
At least for the starter motor!
At least for the starter motor!
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That's true we are swimming in natural energy recourses. More that any other country on the planet. The trouble is vehicles are being mandated to go twice as far on a gallon of gas. Not good for commercial vehicles or when moving more that 2 people at a time. Can you get a truckmount in a Smart Car?
Art Kelley
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There's nothing more current then what we pay at the pump every day. I'm tired of paying $1200/mo for gas and when I can cut that to $500/mo by going electric half the time, all the rhetoric and political posturing becomes meaningless to me.
Bill Morgan
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I'm sticking with 'electric
At least for the starter motor!
Jim, are you going to have a contest to name your FrankenMount?
So is that something you are building or is it someone else's?
What are the Engine, blower specs? Sure looks beefy...
Are you building those for Magic Wad and will it fit in a transit?
Bill
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Bill
No...already named
Self
350 6008 fuel injection carb is just for mock up
No (Nice Freudian Slip, though! Magic WAD!)
No transit...box van.
No...already named
Self
350 6008 fuel injection carb is just for mock up
No (Nice Freudian Slip, though! Magic WAD!)
No transit...box van.
Ken Snow
RIP
That is a lot for 1 unit art.
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