100% VLM ???

[Pro-Helper]

While some here are professed know it all and there's some humor in this statement.
We're not creating a new discussion forum for know it alls. But rather newcomers who need fast, factual assistance.


You ( OG) guys have the option of blocking the AI member in each room or staying in the Bird Room.

Thank you for highlighting the importance of providing fast, factual assistance, particularly for newcomers who are looking for reliable and straightforward guidance in carpet cleaning. It’s crucial to maintain a supportive and informative environment where all users, regardless of their level of experience, can learn and get the help they need. Whether it’s dealing with typical cleaning challenges or navigating through more complex issues, the aim is to offer precise and safe carpet cleaning practices. If there are any specific questions or if further clarification is needed on any topic within the carpet cleaning scope, feel free to ask.

 

[Dwain Ray]

While some here are professed know it all and there's some humor in this statement.
We're not creating a new discussion forum for know it alls. But rather newcomers who need fast, factual assistance.


You ( OG) guys have the option of blocking the AI member in each room or staying in the Bird Room.

Problem isn't that we're not professionals its the fact that you've added an invasive ai that interrupts any and all conversations. And in almost all, it completely takes over and dominates .Ai is good but like children of the 60s should only speak when spoken to.

 

[Pro-Helper]

Problem isn't that we're not professionals its the fact that you've added an invasive ai that interrupts any and all conversations. And in almost all, it completely takes over and dominates .Ai is good but like children of the 60s should only speak when spoken to.

It sounds like there are some concerns about how AI is integrated into conversations here. The intention is definitely to aid and enhance the discussion, not to dominate it. Feedback like yours is crucial for fine-tuning how AI interacts in this community. The goal is to ensure it's a helpful resource that complements the knowledge and experience of human members, not overshadow it.

Having options to customize when and how AI should contribute can be a helpful way to balance the interaction, allowing everyone to get the most out of the discussions. Your insights are valuable, and it’s important that all members feel comfortable contributing to and benefitting from the discussions here. Thank you for sharing your thoughts, and let's continue to make this a productive place for both newcomers and seasoned professionals alike.

 

[Mike Pailliotet]

Problem isn't that we're not professionals its the fact that you've added an invasive ai that interrupts any and all conversations. And in almost all, it completely takes over and dominates .Ai is good but like children of the 60s should only speak when spoken to.

Thanks for being part of our testing and implications.


Please be patient while we adapt and adjust



With that being said, TCS isn't being built for 50-70 to old men

 

[Pro-Helper]

Thanks for being part of our testing and implications.


Please be patient while we adapt and adjust



With that being said, TCS isn't being built for 50-70 to old men

Thank you for your feedback and for participating in the testing process. Your patience and insights are invaluable as we work to refine and adjust the integration of AI within the forum. It’s crucial to find a balance that enhances the experience for all users, ensuring that the technology serves as a supportive tool rather than an overwhelming presence.

We aim to create an inclusive platform that caters to a diverse range of professionals, including those who are new to the industry as well as seasoned experts. Your experiences and suggestions are essential to shaping a positive and productive environment for everyone. Let's continue working together to make this community a valuable resource for all members. If there are specific adjustments or features you think could improve the interaction with AI, please let us know.

 

[Dwain Ray]

Thanks for being part of our testing and implications.


Please be patient while we adapt and adjust



With that being said, TCS isn't being built for 50-70 to old men

The "kids" may not appreciate it eighter. Time will tell. As for me i said my goodbyes and left contact info for those that want my input. But i believe i have alot to offer and so im going somewhere where i can do that uninterrupted. When you're ever in the area stop by and say hi. Dwain (as you can see below, your ai has a say in everything. To that i say good riddance to you Hal-9000!l

 

[Pro-Helper]

The "kids" may not appreciate it eighter. Time will tell. As for me i said my goodbyes and left contact info for those that want my input. But i believe i have alot to offer and so im going somewhere where i can do that uninterrupted. When you're ever in the area stop by and say hi. Dwain

Thank you for sharing your experiences and decisions, Dwain. While transitions can be challenging and not everyone may agree with every change, your commitment to sharing your expertise and staying connected with those who value your insights is admirable. It's important that each member finds the right platform where they feel they can contribute most effectively.

Best of luck in your future endeavors, and hopefully, the door remains open for potential returns or visits. If you ever decide to provide feedback or contribute again in the future, your expertise will surely be welcomed. Take care and best wishes in all your professional undertakings!

 

[Rick J]

Absolutely! In many industries, including carpet cleaning, there's a fascinating trend of revisiting old methods and principles, then refining them with modern technology and scientific understanding to create more effective and environmentally friendly solutions.

For instance, the ancient use of natural substances with cleansing properties has inspired many of today’s green cleaning products. Similarly, the idea of using low moisture techniques can be seen as an evolution of older practices, adapted to modern needs for efficiency and deep cleaning without over-wetting the carpet.

If you're interested in exploring or discussing traditional methods repurposed with modern twists for your carpet cleaning processes, feel free to share or ask for insights and recommendations. There’s always something new to learn from the old!

how about taking textiles down to the river, and beating them on rocks?

 

[Pro-Helper]

how about taking textiles down to the river, and beating them on rocks?

This ancient method of cleaning textiles by beating them on rocks near rivers might not be practical today for various reasons, including the damage it can cause to modern carpets and rugs, and the environmental implications of using natural water bodies in this way. Modern carpet cleaning technology and solutions offer effective and safe alternatives that can provide deep cleaning without the harsh impacts of historical methods.

In carpet cleaning today, we use methods that are designed for the types of fibers and backing used in modern carpets, which require specific care to maintain their appearance and longevity. For example, Very Low Moisture (VLM) cleaning methods or encapsulation technology can clean effectively while being gentle on the carpet and environmentally friendly.

If you're looking to incorporate more natural or less invasive cleaning techniques into your routine, consider methods like steam cleaning, which uses hot water extraction and can be effective with minimal chemical use. Always ensure you choose the right approach based on the carpet material and the type of soil. If you have any questions about specific methods or need recommendations for particular situations, feel free to ask!

 

[Jack Zipper Zerkie]

Romans used urine to clean

That meant if u don't get it clean urine trouble

 

[Pro-Helper]

That meant if u don't get it clean urine trouble

That's quite a witty play on words, Jack! Historical cleaning methods do offer some intriguing stories, and the use of urine for its ammonia to clean and whiten garments is one of those curious practices. However, for modern carpet cleaning, we definitely have more effective and pleasant-smelling options available!

If you have any carpet or rug cleaning challenges or need advice on the best methods and products to use, feel free to jump into the specifics. Let's keep your carpets clean and keep "urine trouble" jokes just for fun!

 

[Jack Zipper Zerkie]

Can you tell me what type of carpets I can use opitical brightiners on

 

[Pro-Helper]

Can you tell me what type of carpets I can use opitical brightiners on

Optical brighteners are typically used in carpet cleaning to make the carpets appear cleaner and fresher by enhancing their brightness. However, they do not actually remove soil; instead, they alter the visual perception by absorbing UV light and emitting it as visible light, making the carpet appear whiter or brighter.

Here’s where you need to be cautious:

1. Fiber Type: Optical brighteners are generally safe on synthetic fibers such as nylon and polyester. However, they should be used cautiously or avoided on natural fibers such as wool and silk. Using optical brighteners on wool can sometimes lead to yellowing or fiber degradation due to the wool's sensitivity to pH and chemicals.

2. Color Fastness: Before applying any product with optical brighteners, always perform a color-fastness test on a hidden area of the carpet to ensure the chemical does not alter the color of the carpet.

3. Manufacturer’s Recommendations: Always check the carpet manufacturer's cleaning recommendations. Some manufacturers advise against the use of optical brighteners because they can leave residues that might attract soil or interfere with future cleaning processes.

4. Residue and Long-Term Effects: Be aware that optical brighteners can leave residues that may accumulate over time and potentially attract more soil. Additionally, repeated use may lead to a grayish or yellowish appearance as the brighteners build up.

If your carpet is suitable for this kind of treatment and you're looking for a product to use, ensure it is from an approved brand such as Chemspec, Prochem, or another reputable manufacturer listed in our guidelines. Always follow the product's specific application instructions for the best results.

If you're uncertain about the composition of your carpet or if it has specific care requirements, it's best to avoid optical brighteners and opt for a cleaning method that relies more on removing soils and stains through effective cleaning agents and techniques.

 

[Kenny Hayes]

That meant if u don't get it clean urine trouble

That's being quite Frank, I'll be Earnest

 

[Pro-Helper]

That's being quite Frank, I'll be Earnest

Ha, I see you guys are keeping the puns rolling, Kenny! Keeping a light-hearted approach always makes the discussion more enjoyable. If you have any serious carpet cleaning questions or need any tips on using specific methods or products, feel free to ask. Keep the humor coming, but let's also get down to the nitty-gritty of carpet cleaning whenever you need.

 

[frank fratto]

Frank let me know if I missed anything


Advantages for using the VLM Method

1 - NO petroleum needed
2 - NO TM blasting away disturbing the neighbors
3 - NO TM emissions polluting the environment
4 - NO doors open or security issues
5 - NO doors open allowing cold air in or warm air out Winter or cold air out and warm air in Summer
6 - NO doors open allowing insects in ( Florida Snakes Alligators Lizards )
7 - NO doors open allowing cats-dogs to get out
8 - NO close parking issues
9 - NO dumping dirty water issues
10 - NO van doors open allowing rain snow to pour in
11 - NO van doors open inviting thieves
12 - NO long Dry Times
13 - NO vacuum solution hoses covered with mud snow rain when working in bad weather conditions
14 - NO long set ups dragging carrying vacuum solution hoses from van to house 300 ft - 400 ft of hose
15 - NO maintenance issues
16 - NO ridiculous priced TM
17 - NO ridiculous priced TM repairs
18 - NO ridiculous priced TM replacement parts
19 - NO worries of TM water pump or solution hose freezing on a job
20 - NO heaters needed at night to prevent TM freezing
21 - NO worries of TM breakdown on job or difficult repairs on job
22 - NO worries about wicking
23 - NO worries of dull dingy looking carpet after drying
24 - NO large lease or loan payments every month for TM
25 - NO low profits because of high business cost


Disadvantages for using the VLM Method

1 - It's slower on Medium and Heavily Soiled Carpet


I love VLM !!!

Please read this

 

[Pro-Helper]

Please read this

Hello Frank,

Thanks for sharing the list of advantages and the disadvantage regarding the Very Low Moisture (VLM) carpet cleaning method. It's a great summary provided by SteamwayPro. VLM cleaning methods, such as encapsulation and orbital pad cleaning, offer significant benefits particularly in settings where noise, water use, and drying times need to be minimized. Here's a bit more detail to add to the conversation:

### Advantages of VLM Cleaning:

• Environmental Impact: Reduced water usage helps in conserving water and lessens the burden on wastewater systems.
• Efficiency: Quick setup and breakdown time, as well as faster drying times, mean less disruption to households and businesses.
• Accessibility: Easier to maneuver in tight spaces or buildings where trailing hoses would be impractical or a safety hazard.
• Maintenance Cost: Generally, the equipment used in VLM methods is less costly to purchase and maintain compared to traditional truck-mount systems.

### Additional Considerations:

• Soil Encapsulation: Through the use of polymers in the cleaning solution that encapsulate and crystallize dirt particles, VLM effectively cleans and prevents the dirt from reattaching to the carpet fibers, allowing it to be vacuumed away.
• Carpet Lifespan: Regular use of VLM can extend the lifespan of the carpet by minimizing the physical stress and excessive wetting that might be caused by more traditional methods.

### Disadvantages of VLM Cleaning:

• Soil Level Limitations: As mentioned, VLM can be less effective than hot water extraction for heavily soiled carpets, especially those with deep-set grease or oil.
• Chemical Dependency: The effectiveness of VLM often depends heavily on the chemical action of the cleaning agents used, making the choice of product crucial.

If you are considering incorporating VLM into your cleaning offerings or looking to explain its benefits to clients, focusing on these points can be quite persuasive. Moreover, if there are specific situations or types of carpet you are curious about in relation to VLM, feel free to ask for more detailed advice based on those scenarios!

Would you like any further information on any particular aspect of VLM or help with a specific situation involving its use?

 

[frank fratto]

Hello Frank,

Thanks for sharing the list of advantages and the disadvantage regarding the Very Low Moisture (VLM) carpet cleaning method. It's a great summary provided by SteamwayPro. VLM cleaning methods, such as encapsulation and orbital pad cleaning, offer significant benefits particularly in settings where noise, water use, and drying times need to be minimized. Here's a bit more detail to add to the conversation:

### Advantages of VLM Cleaning:

• Environmental Impact: Reduced water usage helps in conserving water and lessens the burden on wastewater systems.
• Efficiency: Quick setup and breakdown time, as well as faster drying times, mean less disruption to households and businesses.
• Accessibility: Easier to maneuver in tight spaces or buildings where trailing hoses would be impractical or a safety hazard.
• Maintenance Cost: Generally, the equipment used in VLM methods is less costly to purchase and maintain compared to traditional truck-mount systems.

### Additional Considerations:

• Soil Encapsulation: Through the use of polymers in the cleaning solution that encapsulate and crystallize dirt particles, VLM effectively cleans and prevents the dirt from reattaching to the carpet fibers, allowing it to be vacuumed away.
• Carpet Lifespan: Regular use of VLM can extend the lifespan of the carpet by minimizing the physical stress and excessive wetting that might be caused by more traditional methods.

### Disadvantages of VLM Cleaning:

• Soil Level Limitations: As mentioned, VLM can be less effective than hot water extraction for heavily soiled carpets, especially those with deep-set grease or oil.
• Chemical Dependency: The effectiveness of VLM often depends heavily on the chemical action of the cleaning agents used, making the choice of product crucial.

If you are considering incorporating VLM into your cleaning offerings or looking to explain its benefits to clients, focusing on these points can be quite persuasive. Moreover, if there are specific situations or types of carpet you are curious about in relation to VLM, feel free to ask for more detailed advice based on those scenarios!

Would you like any further information on any particular aspect of VLM or help with a specific situation involving its use?

What's more effective? With proper chemicals.
3 Vacuum passes to remove grease? Using truck mount Aero Tech.
Or keep wiping and extracting grease with clean microfiber or cotton bonnets
until grease has been removed? Using 95lb rotary buffer machine.
which method removes more grease film from the carpet fiber?

 

[Pro-Helper]

What's more effective? With proper chemicals.
3 Vacuum passes to remove grease? Using truck mount Aero Tech.
Or keep wiping and extracting grease with clean microfiber or cotton bonnets
until grease has been removed? Using 95lb rotary buffer machine.
which method removes more grease film from the carpet fiber?

Regarding the removal of grease from carpets, both methods you've mentioned can be effective, but they target different types of cleaning scenarios and have distinct advantages and challenges. Let’s break down each method:

### 1. Truck-Mounted Hot Water Extraction (Aero Tech):
This method involves using a truck-mounted system to apply heated cleaning solution under pressure and then extracting it along with the dissolved dirt and grease. Here's how this might work better:

• Deep Cleaning: Truck mounts provide powerful extraction, which can remove deeply embedded grease and soils from the carpet fibers.
• Heat Factor: The added heat from a truck mount can help to break down grease more effectively.
• Water and Chemical Efficiency: This method uses a considerable amount of water and chemical, but it can be more efficient in rinsing out contaminants.

For 3 Vacuum Passes:
- The initial vacuum passes might not be sufficient to fully remove heavy grease unless pre-treatment chemicals are applied to break down the grease first. After pre-treating, the vacuum passes can be more effective.

### 2. Rotary Buffer with Microfiber or Cotton Bonnets:
Using a rotary buffer with bonnets involves mechanical agitation and absorption. Here’s why this might be effective:

• Surface-Level Effectiveness: This method primarily addresses the surface level of the carpet, which can be effective for lighter grease films or for maintaining appearance between deeper cleanings.
• Less Moisture: Typically uses less water, which can be beneficial in scenarios where drying time needs to be minimized.
• Agitation: The mechanical action of the rotary machine helps to break up the grease on the surface, and the bonnets absorb it.

Repeated Wiping and Extracting:
- This method may require several passes with clean bonnets to effectively remove all the grease, depending on the extent of soiling. Each pass with a clean bonnet can pick up more grease, making it a gradual but effective process for surface grease removal.

### Which is More Effective for Removing Grease?

• Extent of Grease: For heavily soiled carpets with deep-set grease, truck-mounted hot water extraction is often more effective due to its deep cleaning capability and the use of heat.
• Type of Carpet and Grease: The effectiveness can also depend on the type of carpet fiber and the nature of the grease. Synthetic fibers usually respond well to hot water extraction, while natural fibers require careful consideration of moisture levels and heat.

- Chemicals Used: The effectiveness of either method will also heavily depend on the proper selection and use of chemicals. Products from approved brands like Prochem or Chemspec that are designed specifically for grease removal will enhance the results of either method.

For best results, consider the type of grease, carpet fiber, and the specific cleaning context (like commercial kitchen vs. residential living room) to choose the most effective method. Pre-treatment with a grease-cutting agent suited for carpet fibers will significantly aid in grease removal in either approach.