powdered encaps

[Acp]

do you guys think they are legit? or bs?

 

[Cleanworks]

Such as?

 

[Jimmy L]

The word " Encapsulation" is just a marketing term.

Anything that surrounds would qualify..................like.........water.

Look for Nanotechnology to be on everything soon.

 

[Kenny Hayes]

Would it make you feel better if our industry used the word decapsulation which is the removal of something encapsulated?

 

[Old Coastie]

Would it make you feel better if our industry used the word decapsulation which is the removal of something encapsulated?

Depressurized Assisted Mechanical Movement Inter-Thread (or DAMMIT) is the premium method for decapsulation.

 

[Kenny Hayes]

And there you go, that would size it up and make Jimmy feel much better. Nano has been out or used in floor care for a long time.
Why put on everything now like it’s new?

 

[Jimmy L]

" DEcapulation Rinse" Look for it soon on a product label soon!

Here's another one to look for.

MICRO-ENCAPSULATION with NANOTECHNOLOGY.

All about marketing lingo.


For all of those IDIOT carpet cleaners out there

 

[Jim Pemberton]

do you guys think they are legit? or bs?

Could you supply a link for the manufacturer and the product in question?

 

[Mikey P]

Other than Magic Wand, I'm not aware of another carpet cruncher..

 

[SteamwayPro]

 

[Mikey P]

Film..

When did a intentional sticky residue become ok by calling it a Encapsulator?



Jimmy's head is going to explode

 

[Cleanworks]

View attachment 86642

It's not rocket science, you know.

 

[SteamwayPro]

I don't know why but Bonnet Pro only makes film. His encaps work great for HWE prespray.

 

[Jimmy L]

FILM FORMER!

OLD SCHOOL TECHNOLOGY!

 

[encapman]

Love the name. How close to Releasit can we get?

 

[Jim Pemberton]

Love the name. How close to Releasit can we get?

I missed the name part.

Are you comfortable that true encap technology is compatible with both d-limonene and a percarbonate oxidizer Rick?

To everyone watching this thread: I'm not leading with a question that I know the answer to; I am asking someone whose experience and opinion I respect because I am not sure.

 

[Lee Stockwell]

I try not to mix them.

I want to know which one to blame if something goes wrong. We've had sometimes poor encap results when doing it following nuclear HWE too soon, while the carpet was still damp.

 

[Jim Pemberton]

I try not to mix them.

I want to know which one to blame if something goes wrong. We've had sometimes poor encap results when doing it following nuclear HWE too soon, while the carpet was still damp.

My experience has been that if you have to add a lot of different chemistry to encap, you have a job better cleaned with HWE.

Still will be interested in Rick's feedback

 

[SteamwayPro]

I've used Bonnet Pro Surround Free (odorless) many times in offices and have never had any problems. I don't use it for straight encap. I use it in my Orbot SprayBorg with microfiber or cotton bonnets. NO NONE ZERO NOTHING signs of resoiling. I always check when I go back to see how carpet that I cleaned before looks. I think film-forming encaps are good, if you use them with a good bonnet. I use it because it's odorless.

 

[Jimmy L]

FILM FORMER BAD!

 

[SteamwayPro]

Odorless GOOD !

 

[Zion Carpet Cleaning]

While it's not technically an encap, Encapstore's Green Dragon is a great chem for pad capping and is a powder. Great HWE pre-spray as well.

 

[encapman]

I missed the name part.

Are you comfortable that true encap technology is compatible with both d-limonene and a percarbonate oxidizer Rick?

To everyone watching this thread: I'm not leading with a question that I know the answer to; I am asking someone whose experience and opinion I respect because I am not sure.

Hi Jim,

I haven't tested percarbonate oxidizer per se in an encap formulation. If you're wanting to achieve safe oxidizing results with an encap product - hydrogen peroxide would be an option. There are hydrogen peroxide stable encap polymers. It's what we use in Encap-HydrOx.

Solvents are another story altogether. Typically most do not play well with an encap polymer. Adding d-limonene will absolutely foul a true encap polymer. As we've blended our formulas it's been a tightrope walk (a little too far one way or the other and the good crystallization we're looking for goes right out the window).

 

[Shorty]

I've been using H2O2 added to my Encap solution for many years, ever since Rick first advised.

Strange how I have not had one complaint from any of my customers, ( only from knockers ), one of these customers, I now clean all of their stores for.

Another that has two levels in a high rise building, I've been doing for over fourteen years.

The H2O2 added gets rid of all coffee/tea spills as well as others.

I DO NOT add anything else to my brew, however, I have found Steve Smith's Spot & Boost & Hel-Gel Orange to be compatible for spotting.

I do not use film formers.

Sometimes, I DO need to use an extraction machine, depending on the soiling.

I remember all the negative comments I used to get, ten, twelve, fourteen years ago because I was changing over from HWE to Encap.
I wonder how many of the above now have either a Cimex type machine or an Orbital machine in their arsenal??
After all, each tool & every chemical solution, is only a part of the solution to getting a better job done.

 

[Jimmy L]

I don't believe any internet scampoo makers brew their own but simply.............put their label on someone elses product.

And don't buy from any religious nut case who puts religious scriptures in every shipment.

 

[Shorty]

I don't believe any internet scampoo makers brew their own but simply.............put their label on someone elses product.

And don't buy from any religious nut case who puts religious scriptures in every shipment.

Sad to say, but I think I agree with you.

THIS TIME.

 

[Tom Forsythe]

The post title was Powdered Encaps. The polymer bases that we buy are all liquid. I have never found a powdered base that was suitable for our applications. You can add a polymer base to some powders but are limited to about 5% of total formula. Double strength liquids can have 6 times the polymer content. Dilutions matter and amounts left on the carpet matter. The math does not work for powders especially when you recommend a dilution of 1 oz per gallon. The double strength versions recommend a 1 to 32 dilution. The result is that the ready to use liquid will have 18 times more polymer than the powder encaps. The other ingredients in the powdered encap can do great cleaning but the only thing the the encap in the powdered formula can do is to assure that there is no re-soiling tendency left in any residue. There would not be enough for the formula to resist future soiling like all liquid encaps will do to some degree.

Also I missed the scientific study that proved film formers any better or worse than crystals. I became skeptical of any of these arguments when I added .5% surfactant to a film former and automatically changed the residues to a crystal. My theory is that a crystal starts with a film former which has a surfactant added to form a crystal. I have not devoted any further research to this phenomena when I have seen both crystals and supposed film formers provide similar results along with both types become a commercial success. Both types work with the correct balance of other ingredients and both types sell very well. If a crystal was better then we would have made a formula with a crystal especially since we discovered how to do it.

 

[Kenny Hayes]

Bam!

 

[hogjowl]

I love is
Whatever you call it
But I don’t use powder

 

[Dolly Llama]

I love is

you trying to "be like Mike" ??



..L.T.A.