Is there an encapsulation product that is Green Seal Certified?

[ruff]

Is there an encapsulation product that is Green Seal Certified?

Not claiming to be "Green" or mentioning being "Child Safe" or biodegradable or whatever meaningless marketing term strikes their fancy. The real thing.

 

[Larry Cobb]

Ofer;

There are some formulations available that meet the "Green Seal' criteria.

Green Seal requires some biodegradation testing that will NOT be done for some ingredients.

The fees associated with actual approval by Green Seal are another added cost.

Give me a call if you would like to talk about it.

Larry

 

[Jeremy]

THere are a couple DFE certified products that I know of... Releasit BioEncap and Bristors stuff come to mind.

 

[The Great Oz]

Is there an encapsulation product that is Green Seal Certified?

Not claiming to be "Green" or mentioning being "Child Safe" or biodegradable or whatever meaningless marketing term strikes their fancy. The real thing.

As if Green Seal certification has much to do with "the real thing." Buying a product with a green colored label will have as much to do with product safety as a GS certification, unless you're mostly worried about the effect of your midnight dumping of old concentrates in the Bay.

Are you concerned with employee safety or environmental safety?

 

[billyeadon]

Green Seal is the worst scam ever perpetuated on the cleaning industry.

 

[J Scott W]

Bridgepoint's Encapuclean Green Double Strength meets DfE. Don't know of any encap products that sell enough volume into the LEED market or similar to make it worth paying the hefty fees to put Green Seal on the label. Se comment above by Bill.

 

[KevinL]

I thought I heard that green seal was a scam and the EPA came out saying nothing can be considered green unless they say it's green.

 

[ruff]

Brian, Scott, Bill and the rest of the Non Tree Huggers.

"Green Seal" certification is a known and consumer accepted seal of approval. Weather it is a sham or not, if one loses sleep over it or not (as some of you do), though fascinating, is of no urgent concern.

What are our options?

• Accept other so called certificates (that cost the manufacturers a lot less. The horror!)? - Most are of less significance and are a lot easier to pass and cheaper to buy. They do not however, present a safer product.
• Accept all the meaningless marketing terminology (drivel) like "Child Safe", "Green", "Biodegradable" ,"Environmentally friendly" etc?- Sounds good, yet is meaningless.
• Accept the manufacturer's word for the safety of their products? - Done that. Developed a bit of a trust issue due to "truth" manipulation. Not interested!
• Most "Green seal certified" products that I know of also pass the other certificates. In case you were wondering, it's a good thing.

Once the other certificates do their homework, reach consumer awareness and consciousness, I'd be happy to use them. At such time they will prove to be helpful to me, as someone who deals directly with the consumer on a daily basis, and help as a marketing tool.

So one can moan and sigh and complain about the "truthiness" of green seal and fight all the windmills, or, buckle up and provide us with something helpful.

I'd also like to see your proof as to why the Green Seal certificate is less significant and presents a product that is less healthy for people and the environment.

unless you're mostly worried about the effect of your midnight dumping of old concentrates in the Bay.

Bryan, Bryan, Bryan. You got to control them Freudian slips. Surely, as so commonly practiced by our good friends to the north, you must have meant the Puget Sound.

 

[Larry Cobb]

"Green Seal" certification is a known and consumer accepted seal of approval. Weather it is a sham or not, if one loses sleep over it or not (as some of you do), though fascinating, is of no urgent concern.

What are our options?

• Accept other so called certificates (that cost the manufacturers a lot less. The horror!)? - Most are of less significance and are a lot easier to pass and cheaper to buy. They do not however, present a safer product.
• Accept all the meaningless marketing terminology (drivel) like "Child Safe", "Green", "Biodegradable" ,"Environmentally friendly" etc?
• Accept the manufacturer's word for the safety of their products? - Done that. Not interested!
• Most "Green seal certified" products that I know of also pass the other certificates. In case you were wondering, it's a good thing.

Once the other certificates do their homework, reach consumer awareness and consciousness, I'd be happy to use them. At such time they will prove to be helpful to me, as someone who deals directly with the consumer on a daily basis, and help as a marketing tool.

I'd also like to see your proof as to why the Green Seal certificate is less significant and presents a product that is less healthy for people and the environment.

Ofer;

For a little more background, read this CleanFax Great Debate I had with Lee Senter on Green Seal:

http://www.cleanfax.com/articles/the-great-debate-4

And remember that Green Seal wanted us to clean with "50 degree Cold Water" because it saved energy.

Larry

 

[ruff]

Thank you Larry for the link. It is a good article to read.
Beside the advantages and disadvantages of "green" cleaning which is long and complex debate, there's the issue of public perception and awareness regardless of the merit of the products. Ignoring it will not make it go away.

As in everything else, life is full of compromises. Green seal wanting us to clean with 50 degree water is understandable yet not practical. It may save energy, yet create other issues. As you well know, it was not accepted. So, they tried, it didn't catch and they moved on. I would not hold it against them. The wish and effort towards safer products, cleaner less contaminated environment, is a good cause to strive for.

Creating public awareness and conscientiousness towards it, is a positive as well.

 

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maybe others:
http://www.greenseal.org/FindGreenSealProductsandServices.aspx?vid=ViewProductDetail&cid=16

 

[ruff]

Thank you, Fred.

 

[The Great Oz]

I take issue with accepting marketing illusions as fact. Rayon derived from bamboo is not environmentally friendly. The current CRI SoA equipment rating is not credible. GreenSeal certification does not prove environmentally healthier products, it's a profit-centric program meant to push an ethically and scientifically flawed agenda under the guise of green cleaning.

Doing the work to make a better product rather than buying a certification is likely the main reason so many products in our industry skip buying a GreenSeal mark. They expect professional cleaners to be a little more discerning than the average consumer.



PS: The CRI cares about credibility and is working to improve their program.

 

[ruff]

It may all be true Bryan, though you provide only claims without a single proof. As in: Nil, zip, nada
Green seal at least provides a recognizable symbol with pretty good public awareness.
Which by the way cannot be claimed by such luminaries as the CRI, IICRC and more to our point DFE and other so called green symbols.

In that regard, at least, "Green Seal" is very helpful.

One can fight all the windmills available, feel just and righteous (I'd be the first to admit that it is fun), yet ignoring the public demand will get you nowhere. And, by the way, it will not go away.

PS: The CRI cares about credibility and is working to improve their program.

Surely, you're joking Bryan. After providing Rug Doctor their Gold Seal of approval, we just can't wait for their next credibility building step.

What would it be? A tooth brush and a glass of water, as the best carpet cleaning equipment? Rumor has it that Oral-B is in the market for a sales boost and they do have them deep pocket that these kind of organizations seem to gravitate towards.

 

[The Great Oz]

Ofer, I could post pages of proof and, given your statements, you would still defend your chosen dogma. Or maybe, since you seem to be a pretty sharp guy, you're just taking a ridiculous stance for the fun of it.

If your concept of accepting bogus protocols because the issuing organization has done a good job of conning a percentage of your customers works for you, great! I'll continue to do a little more research than watching Oprah, and am fine with telling people that the Easter bunny doesn't exist.



The CRI has convinced several of us that they're serious about undoing the Rug Doctor debacle and have asked for our input on improvement. The CRI members were great to work with and I think the committee has come up with a credible plan to produce a more realistic result.

Not that you'd believe it...

 

[ruff]

Ofer, I could post pages of proof and, given your statements, you would still defend your chosen dogma. Or maybe, since you seem to be a pretty sharp guy, you're just taking a ridiculous stance for the fun of it.

Bring the pages and specify who's the source so we can see their agenda.
No chosen dogma at all Bryan, are you calling this kettle black? And my preferences, what you call dogma, are without ridiculing my clients and what stands behind their wishes. See, I ain't a preacher Bryan, just your average 'do gooder', friendly service provider.

If your concept of accepting bogus protocols because the issuing organization has done a good job of conning a percentage of your customers works for you, great! I'll continue to do a little more research than watching Oprah, and am fine with telling people that the Easter bunny doesn't exist.

You seem to ignore some of the points as it suits you.
What about the tooth fairy? Personally I am a great believer in the dust bunnies, as I see them every day.


The CRI has convinced several of us that they're serious about undoing the Rug Doctor debacle and have asked for our input on improvement. The CRI members were great to work with and I think the committee has come up with a credible plan to produce a more realistic result.
Not that you'd believe it...

I'll believe it when I see it.They've dug themselves a hell of a credibility hole and done plenty of damage.

Evidently after watching Oprah, you're inclined to believe them. Is it the innocence in their baby blue eyes? For now, I'll suspend my trust. I would be delighted to be positively surprised.

And that is the truth as seen from lake Wobegon.

 

[The Great Oz]

I have to apologize for being so dim. It took me two whole days to get it.


Is there an encapsulation product that is Green Seal Certified?


AH, HA, HA, HA HA.

The irony.

 

[Out of Character - 0]

Finally we have residues that benefit both carpet and earth

 

[encapman]

A couple of good Encap products carry the EPA's DfE certification, Releasit Bio-Encap being one of them.
I echo the comments above that GreenSeal is grossly overpriced and means nothing in the real world.
If one of your clients is asking for green certifications, a DfE certified product should suffice.

 

[ruff]

Bryan, after the Rug Doctor debacle we were wondering. Does CRI stand for Cash Rules Integrity?