KevinL
Supportive Member
I tried it a few years ago also after Larry saying how great it was. I sent it right back. Hard to believe him after that.
Goodyear neptune
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I tried it a few years ago also after Larry saying how great it was. I sent it right back. Hard to believe him after that.
Mikey P
Administrator
Parflex is the best all around hose.
They all have their faults, Parker Parflex just has the least amount of them.
They all have their faults, Parker Parflex just has the least amount of them.
YUP....
bought some goodyear look alike....the stuff that the Aerotechs get....
man that shit grabs and twists, twice as bad as parflex...
those who bitch about parker, are probably the same ones who dont run hot machines...because it smooths right out when it gets hot.....
To bad my last batch only lasted 18mths....the 1st run i had was 3 years....
time to buy some more though
Par is a nightmare until broken in, after that it's The sliced bread.
Def the hose for abusers and draggers. Seems to stay cooler too.
Call Olson, he can give ya the run down on it.
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If we are working on a room that is close to the front door my Paraflex(and vac line) will be coiled perfectly in a roll ready to be taken to the truck WHILE my helper is still cleaning every time he starts another pass closer to the door it adds another loop to both hoses. Technology must be better up here in Wisconsin.. It's best that you roll the Paraflex hose out when you set up(like a spool) then you have no coiling..
Bob Savage
Member
i have been using Neptune for several years now as the lead hose. I get it 140' long from Windtrax.
After 1-1/2 years, I get the ends replaced and reverse it's direction.
After 3 years I cut it up into sections 65', 35', 25' etc., and have ends put on it so I can add on at the van if need be.
I never have a QC go into a house.
We use LP for heat so it is smokin'.
Larry Cobb
Member
We have had ParFlex hose from day one.
It is great hose up to 230 degrees, with little heat loss.
Above that, you must use a wire-braid blue hose for hi-temp.
The original blue wire-braid hose would tolerate 300 degrees,
but it had a wrapped cover that grabbed the carpet.
Several years ago we switched to a smooth cover blue wire-braid hose with a healthy 275 temp rating.
That is the current wire-braid that we use today.
It is available in lengths up to 500 ft.:
http://www.cobbcarpet.com/zen/index...t&search_in_description=1&keyword=rubber/wire
Larry
It is great hose up to 230 degrees, with little heat loss.
Above that, you must use a wire-braid blue hose for hi-temp.
The original blue wire-braid hose would tolerate 300 degrees,
but it had a wrapped cover that grabbed the carpet.
Several years ago we switched to a smooth cover blue wire-braid hose with a healthy 275 temp rating.
That is the current wire-braid that we use today.
It is available in lengths up to 500 ft.:
http://www.cobbcarpet.com/zen/index...t&search_in_description=1&keyword=rubber/wire
Larry
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Brian H
Member
All we ever use is the Neptune hose for our Butlers. We did have a problem with the Black Death spewing out of the house, but haven't had that issue in at least 20 years. Maybe they have fixed the problem. Is anyone still having that problem?
We usually will buy 5000 feet or so at a time and have it cut into 200 foot links. With the 200 foot lines, the quick connects do NOT go into the house. As the hoses age, we will relegate them to extra hoses all out rucks carry, or spares for long commercial job runs. We have reusable fittings that are simple enough to change out on a job, though we don't have to do that too often. Also an 8 inch piece of clear vinyl hose slipped on the hose covers the reusable fitting and minimizes the stress at that part of the hose.
I can't remember the last time we had a hose blow in a home that actually caused any damage... knock on wood....
We usually will buy 5000 feet or so at a time and have it cut into 200 foot links. With the 200 foot lines, the quick connects do NOT go into the house. As the hoses age, we will relegate them to extra hoses all out rucks carry, or spares for long commercial job runs. We have reusable fittings that are simple enough to change out on a job, though we don't have to do that too often. Also an 8 inch piece of clear vinyl hose slipped on the hose covers the reusable fitting and minimizes the stress at that part of the hose.
I can't remember the last time we had a hose blow in a home that actually caused any damage... knock on wood....
ruff
Member
Brian, on average, how long do you keep a hose before replacing completely?
I just had the first black death ever, but that was an old, old hose.
I just had the first black death ever, but that was an old, old hose.
Desk Jockey
Member
I think we had one blow just a couple of years ago. Finally the tech bought into getting rid of it, they were embarrassed.
I cleaned with the crews several times during the summer and now I think they should have at least a fifty foot of the ineptune. Throw it away after a year. ???
I cleaned with the crews several times during the summer and now I think they should have at least a fifty foot of the ineptune. Throw it away after a year. ???
Brian H
Member
I would guess based on consumption that we are getting 6-8 years out of it.
One of the things I like about the Neptune hose is that we can make repairs and replace ends without needing a special crimping tool.
Mikey P
Administrator
6 to 8?
dude...
No F'n way.
dude...
No F'n way.
Lee Stockwell
FOJL
Maybe two years here, and doubt I do 1/3 the volume of one purple truck.
If it ever freezes with water in it...it will be toast within weeks.
If it ever freezes with water in it...it will be toast within weeks.
Shane Deubell
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Yep, had that happen this year.
Black death, luckily i caught it at the shop and not on a site.
Desk Jockey
Member
That is what's saving you, it always blows at the ends. I've never heard of repairing it yourself??? We have to have the ends pressed and the hose and belt store no longer wants to do it for fear of liability.
Lee Stockwell
FOJL
Field repairs require cutting the hose cleanly. Good luck with that unless you have special tools on the truck. I used to do it with a hatchet and a block of wood. Hacksaw will just, as the name implies, hack it.
handdi
Supportive Member
good year hose
we had one let loose last year
but normally try to replace the 100 footer lead hose once a year
other then that its been really good can purchase here locally also.
we had one let loose last year
but normally try to replace the 100 footer lead hose once a year
other then that its been really good can purchase here locally also.
Brian H
Member
I double checked again but that is what my manager that does the ordering says is typical. Not all that time is as the hose brought into the house. Some of that time it's used as a spare. He says that after a year it's just nicely getting broken in.
When it does start leaking at the fittings, we just cut off a few inches and put the reusable fitting right back on it.
Brian H
Member
The Goodyear hose we use can be cut with a hacksaw or a sharp knife. Easy enough to do even in the field. We used to be able to order a reusable fitting for the hoses but they are no longer available. We were told that it was a liability reason they don't make them as they can fail if not installed properly. We didn't want to resort to having the ends pressed on, so we had a local shop make up a batch for us in stainless steel. Now they are twice as nice looking as the ones we used to buy and they hold up a lot longer as well.
We do use a different type of hose for tile jobs that does require the ends to be pressed on.
ruff
Member
The one I had the black death, was 11 years old hose.
It was used with the cds, so not a fire breather. Does not get Hagopian level use but used pretty heavily and regularly (about 3500- 4000 hours on machine it came with). Shortened ends a few times. Never a blow up of hose nor blow out of crimp.
It was used with the cds, so not a fire breather. Does not get Hagopian level use but used pretty heavily and regularly (about 3500- 4000 hours on machine it came with). Shortened ends a few times. Never a blow up of hose nor blow out of crimp.
Larry Cobb
Member
We have customers that utilize the reusable fittings we stock on blue wire-braid hoses.
Check the O.D. of your hose for proper fit:
http://www.cobbcarpet.com/zen/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=68&products_id=4385
Larry
A sharp knife? Come on, that aint happening! I cut my last one with a hack saw and it took at least 15mins to get it right. If you post a vid. of you cutting Neptune with a sharp knife I will send you $100..
bob vawter
Grassy Knoller
Great thread......i always meant to buy a crimping tool....it woulda saved me a lot of money...
those NAPA crimps jus don't get it...bulky and very ugly
those NAPA crimps jus don't get it...bulky and very ugly
Blue Monarch
Supportive Member
Last hose I bought was kma also! Stuff must be 6 or seven years old. I've had to cut a couple feet off the tm end several times though. Ready for some more.....who carries blue?
Becker
Member
Sharp knife though Neptune? I want to own that knife.
Ron Werner
Member
So really, no one really trusts GY after a year.
I've never gone back to it after my one and only black death. I will not chance it again.
I have Parker and Tornado on board. Been using the same hose for 5yrs, i only got a new length of parker this year.
I've never gone back to it after my one and only black death. I will not chance it again.
I have Parker and Tornado on board. Been using the same hose for 5yrs, i only got a new length of parker this year.
Vivers
Supportive Member
About every year to year and a half for us on the lead line for sure. Goodyear here. Tell me about the Parker Line though please
Ron Werner
Member
Parker is a thermoplastic. Good for 1700psi and only up to 230F
Its a smooth outside, will not rough up a corner if you pull it. It retains heat far better than the steel braid so it won't leave a hot line in the carpet the way a steel braid will, and it doesn't bleed colour.
More relevant to the GY comparison is that it won't ever give you Black Death or burst. It develops small pinholes and will bubble, gives you time to get it fixed.
Its main downfall is that it is not as flexible as a steel braid. It gets in a coil and likes to stay in a coil. SO it can a very unruly hose to use. If you coil and uncoil it well it can work well enough.
It has a lot of advantages and some disadvantages. enough advantages that I just bought another 130ft length. This one length will get me into 75% of my jobs.
Oh yeah, its considerably lighter as well.
Its a smooth outside, will not rough up a corner if you pull it. It retains heat far better than the steel braid so it won't leave a hot line in the carpet the way a steel braid will, and it doesn't bleed colour.
More relevant to the GY comparison is that it won't ever give you Black Death or burst. It develops small pinholes and will bubble, gives you time to get it fixed.
Its main downfall is that it is not as flexible as a steel braid. It gets in a coil and likes to stay in a coil. SO it can a very unruly hose to use. If you coil and uncoil it well it can work well enough.
It has a lot of advantages and some disadvantages. enough advantages that I just bought another 130ft length. This one length will get me into 75% of my jobs.
Oh yeah, its considerably lighter as well.
